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that is the book cover

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i think i'm not gonna make that mistake

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have my window open on youtube

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there we go

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i am glad

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you guys are here

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and i got a copy of the book

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so i had a head start but i decided to

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and not take any notes i just wanted to

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enjoy it because i was so happy when i

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heard there was a book about asap

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which we'd heard so much about in which

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george spoke about in 2019 and gave us a

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big heads up um so it's like

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but there's so many details in that book

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everything and i will i'm going through

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oh you're there mike

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let's go to jean

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if you're there gene there you go hi

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joey yes

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how are you

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good thanks glad to be here guys

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yeah any questions or comments about

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your muted again by the way any

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james

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yeah how are you

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how you doing good man i've been

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i may have and forgot because my mind is

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a jumble because i'm trying to cram all

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this information from the book into my

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head have you had a chance at all to

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listen to any of the interviews or read

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the read the book at all i read the book

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lots of different things uh

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i i hope that we get closer and closer

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to people

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and the mainstream accepting the reality

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of the phenomenon and then something

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like this comes out where i know it's

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really going to stretch people's uh

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comfort zone and uh so it's it's

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alarming in that it may push some people

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who um you know who wrestle with the woo

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more representative of what's actually

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going on so i think it's an

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uncomfortable truth but something that

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i am right there with you um

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whatever it is and you know i am open to

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the possibility that some of it is black

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technology but when you have an injury

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when an orb glances your arm in one case

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you get sick you develop cancer and then

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that black that's black technology so

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there are black technology ops going and

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remote viewing and some of the you know

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subjects that really strain credulity

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uh that poltergeist follows the

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phenomenon around and these all these

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not human whatever he's open-minded but

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publicity but keith basterfield did some

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great work and he did some backgrounds

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thanks for calling in and um thanks for

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you oh dude oh man it's i i've been

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following along just that i don't

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comment as much i read everything you

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write so everything you post and

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that oh you're welcome me too i still

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fall behind and i and i do it i try to

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do it as much as i can

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so what do you think have you have you

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had a chance to read it yet i haven't

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had a chance to read yet i just read

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george knapp did in addition to the

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someone else today who's really kind of

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archives at rice university and they

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they actually existed so whether people

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believe in it or not the cia always at

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no and i and and speaking of

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from lou if i could actually pull it up

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so it's this is what is in the book

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i forget exactly what year this was

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lakotsky wanted to bring the west coast

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the west coast uh bass people together

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with the people on the east coast uh in

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the dod and the dia and

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elizondo was at that table and it says

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as he enjoyed his steak tartar elizondo

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regaled those around him with some war

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stories including one hair raising

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exploit about how his advanced intuition

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had saved his life and the life of his

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men while on a covert combat convert

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breed and astute detailed orient

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uh so so that's luke's story and he has

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he's hinted at remote viewing before and

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his involvement but he has never given

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details so it's interesting to see that

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you said it's real for me personally i

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did it i studied it one of the remote

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viewers lindby cannon and i saw that it

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was real for me and i didn't i am not a

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very psychic person but i came up with

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aspects of the target that when i looked

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at i'm like i don't know there's no

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other way i could have come up with that

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except i'm somehow tuning into that

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target so it's it's legitimate in my my

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opinion um

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and there's a remote viewing story about

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joe mcmonicle who's one of the best

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remote viewers in the book uh on the on

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the planet

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so yeah the whoop but the the biggest

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woo factor is people talking about

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bringing stuff home with them

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we've heard those stories forever now we

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have and this is one the only criticism

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i have in the book there's two things

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one is i wanted to hear about the

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supposed christians or scientists who

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pushed the back against likkatsky and

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supposedly ruined his career according

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to lou we don't hear we don't hear

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anything about that in the book and the

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other thing and maybe he doesn't want to

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talk about it the other thing is i

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wanted to um

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it was about remote viewing i forgot

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what the other problem is i have with

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the book anyway um

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yeah it's it's a really good read i'll

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probably read it two or three times

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definitely i'm on my second time now the

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problem with

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a lot of the stuff in there is

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people who have never heard about

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hitchhikers and orbs and

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there's a lot of that where

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the family members are affected and it's

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funny because it's not the person as

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much it's their family members so these

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folks in the dia that's that's the other

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problem i had i'm not sure which names

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in the book are real names or not it's

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not clear to me

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because there's i would love to speak to

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some of those people or anybody in the

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mainstream i hope the mainstream digs

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into this like

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i know i think brian bender has not

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commented it on it at all um and all the

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media got it wrong

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um new york times washington post

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political they all got the name of the

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program wrong so um it sucks they've

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done great work though i don't take you

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know anything away from those folks who

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did cover the story but

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knapp had the story and he had it

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accurate for two years now and a lot of

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credit i think a lot of credit should be

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given to him

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yeah i was going to add real quick i

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think the only thing that's gonna hurt

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in my opinion for the mainstream picking

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up on it and i know this sounds really

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nitpicky but the cover

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and i know a lot of people kind of

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crapped on it and also the fact that

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it's independently published i feel like

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they could if they had a publisher no

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matter how big or small i think that

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really helped kind of went to the

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credibility but maybe there's a reason

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why there wasn't i don't know

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um but i i think i hope

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you know the brian bender and a lot of

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these outlets pick up on it

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um yeah just because

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from what you've told since you've read

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the book i haven't yet there seems to be

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some really juicy stuff in there um real

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quick i need to get going but i just

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want to say hi to chris and

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uh dave nhl season starts tonight so

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let's go rangers so yeah i'm hoping for

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an all-out brawl so thank you for

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with ryan reeves all right mike thanks

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for joining me and uh all right it was

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great talking to christian you y'all

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again talk to you soon

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all right

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so before i add in kenny

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i'll just say that for folks who don't

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know the story how this happened

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so 2007 and

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in the book

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george uh and the authors they thank

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harry reid without this you know it

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couldn't have happened

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and

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jerry mccorbell he was about to speak so

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speaking with him he's like there's a

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story that you need to tell nobody has

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told the story yet none of this happens

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without george knapp he goes if he

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doesn't write hunt for the skinwalker

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this doesn't happen and he's right

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because

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hunk for the skinwalker came out i think

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2005 so it's uh

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colin kelleher and george knapp they

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write the book 2007

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james litkatsky gets a copy of the book

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he reads it cover to cover

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very impressed had no idea that there

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was a scientific method going on with

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these paranormal phenomenon on a ranch

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with top-level scientists who were in

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nids

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that book

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gets passed around to some other folks

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it makes it out to iraq for the folks

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who are out there uh

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in the military and the intelligence

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services and it gets becomes one of the

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most popular red books

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in the green zone in iraq and baghdad

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so

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lakotsky

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calls up bigelow writes he writes

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bigelow and says i think this is

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something we should look at for

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you know a threat level of some of the

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stuff that's going on your ranch going

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on at your ranch uh technology i'd love

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for a visit he goes for a visit

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he's at the ranch

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it was like very short tour that bigelow

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gave him i think 30 minutes in they're

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in homestead 2 which was the scene of a

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lot of activity and i'm not sure if it

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was homestead 2.

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um and bigelow's sitting across from him

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and uh over bigelow's shoulder lukatsky

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sees this swirling uh tubular

431
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uh mobius loop that's just in in mid-air

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and i think it lasted for like 30

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seconds he has a clear view of it

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uh nobody else saw it he thinks it was

435
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just for him he's like i'm here 30

436
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minutes people usually don't always see

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stuff when they hear

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i saw something so he's like this is

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important we need to study this

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bigelow contacts harry reid shows them

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the letter from lutkatsky they get

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together like caskey says we need to

443
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study this

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and paranormal ufos and paranormal if we

445
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want to understand ufos we have to

446
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combine the two otherwise we'll never

447
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understand them

448
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bigelow gets inua senators nua stevens

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lakatsky speaks to them too which i

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didn't know which obviously i mean

451
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that's an obvious thing but i didn't

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know that they all got together and they

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formed osap

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they got 12 million dollars the first

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year i think and 10 million for the

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second so it came to fruition uh they

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put out the bid

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in late september bigelow was the only

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bidder there were other people who were

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interested i think three other companies

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and george knapp has reported that

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lockheed sniffed around they didn't make

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a bid it's obvious when you see

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the response of that

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bass which was bigelow's company he

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created for this they put up

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they were the perfect company i mean

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they had access to the ranch this

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happened on the ranch well that caskey

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had the experience so

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uh and then it happens and um

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that's how offset began and

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just real quick atip originally came

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about where 2009 harry reid wrote a

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letter to james lynn

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um i think he's the deputy assistant

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defense secretary but

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they tried to get awp into sap status so

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they can have access

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to some of the interesting stuff in the

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special access programs and also so they

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don't have to worry about funding and

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battling for funding every year uh that

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letter they got denied but in the letter

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they didn't want ossap the name to get

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out there so they came up with a

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nickname and i think it was reid who

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came up with atip so that's how that

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happened atip was used later on

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by elizondo in the dod so you have assap

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a tip which is a nickname and then

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elizondo a tip which was you know it

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wasn't a program it wasn't funded but

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they did a lot of work with military

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sightings so it was real it just wasn't

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an official program and it didn't have

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funding and

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lou needs to answer some questions

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because he was asked about the 22

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million dollars uh back in

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i don't know if it was it was 2008 or

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2009 at the mufon conference and he he

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never once said no we didn't get a penny

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of that money but that's the truth um so

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i have that in my blog

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and i will get to that and by the way

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mark and michael it says your devices

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aren't connected so i cannot go to you

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but i will go

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to sean

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what's up hey sean

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thank you thank you thank you for taking

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the time

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to come on oh man

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i yeah i was just sad that you were live

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and i had to do this i was just doing my

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own live thing

518
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pushing the crap out of your blog and

519
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stuff so

520
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yeah because you've been just on top of

521
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this for so long so

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um it's really amazing i put it in the

523
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description i told people to catch up

524
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that way so

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great thank you have you had it have you

526
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had a chance to read it yet

527
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i ordered it yesterday so

528
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hopefully it comes later today or

529
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tomorrow i was able to catch a few

530
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snippets of people posting a page or two

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here there and

532
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you know

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i'm pretty i don't know what it is about

534
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,039
that interview but it's just like

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um

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i don't know it just kind of shifted my

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mindset for summer it's such a simple

538
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interview i guess but

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um which interview

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it was impactful uh the one with george

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knapp and lukowski and because i've

542
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never put much time into

543
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um you know researching them or looking

544
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at them you know first of all i've only

545
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been here maybe less than a year now but

546
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um

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you know and it's it's just uh it's

548
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amazing stuff and that story about um

549
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the orbs coming in the car and

550
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going through the guy's chest in

551
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how they've investigated it for years

552
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and they had a doctor following him for

553
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months and it's

554
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um it's all too it gets really serious

555
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you know

556
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um it's pretty it's it's intense it took

557
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,640
my breath away

558
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,400
um

559
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,080
but yeah and

560
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,400
so i i can't wait to read it yeah and on

561
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,320
my show i was saying it sounds like me

562
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:45,840
for the skinwalker would be a good

563
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,070
yeah

564
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,520
hum for the skinwalker is such a great

565
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,799
book and it's not what you're talking

566
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,400
about that's right

567
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:56,960
and it's not it's not just a phenomenon

568
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,400
of the phenomena that took place on the

569
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,240
ranch it's the the ufo

570
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,919
theories later in the book which i think

571
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,080
are just stellar i mean some of the best

572
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,159
thinking on ufos and i have a fly in

573
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,590
i brought her home from the ranch no

574
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:14,000
oh he's got a cleaner this that's that's

575
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:15,360
one of the reasons when people read the

576
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,559
book it's like

577
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,480
i've gotten friendly with brandon uh

578
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,200
brandon fugle and i interviewed him on

579
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,360
twitter dm back and forth

580
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,440
which is on my blog and i'm like you

581
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,679
know i probably could get a visit to the

582
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,280
ranch it's not that far from me like

583
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,960
maybe four or five hour drive but i have

584
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,559
no interest in going there and when you

585
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:34,320
read this book when you read the book

586
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,440
it's like

587
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,600
i would think i wouldn't think anybody

588
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,280
has an interest in going there more than

589
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:41,600
one day even that's a risk and you take

590
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,400
home

591
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,799
activity and like so people who don't

592
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,640
know it's not just the ranch the story

593
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,559
shawn's talking about in oregon

594
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,400
they were just driving

595
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,880
the guy i forget his um

596
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,720
it's a professional guy and his daughter

597
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,840
and they're in oregon and all of a

598
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,400
sudden she sees three

599
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,960
objects off the side of the car

600
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,480
and later on she said as soon as i

601
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,159
noticed them that's when they came over

602
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,000
they came into the car and i'm not clear

603
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,600
if it went through the window or through

604
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,679
the door but they came into the car two

605
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,960
of them

606
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,440
and glanced the one guy's shoulder and

607
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:15,120
he started getting nauseous and then he

608
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,240
got sick

609
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,000
had a dream that

610
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,919
it went through

611
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,840
went through him right

612
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,360
there's another story somebody else got

613
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,280
glanced so it went through him

614
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,400
and

615
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,799
so he felt sick he went to sleep had a

616
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,880
dream very vivid dream and in the dream

617
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,200
it says we're gonna fix this or i forget

618
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,200
the exact wording so he woke up you know

619
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,799
it's like he saw this being surrounded

620
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,200
by light in the dream i'm like oh cool

621
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,200
it was it was angels they messed up they

622
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,880
went through his arm by mistake now

623
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,880
they're gonna fix him so he wakes up

624
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,960
he's energized he feels good the rest of

625
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,200
the day he feels like crap shorts long

626
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,120
story short he gets diagnosed with

627
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,039
cancer you know it basically consumed

628
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,480
his life for two years

629
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,799
so whatever whatever that was that fixed

630
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,360
him didn't fix him um

631
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,840
you know and you wonder

632
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:04,159
what do i think what it was

633
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,200
yeah

634
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:06,960
i have no idea i mean i could speculate

635
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,200
all day long that that's representing

636
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,200
those orbs represent represent some sort

637
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,679
of entities um

638
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,080
so either

639
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,760
uh was it um colin is his name he even

640
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,760
said that they they at the end of the

641
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:23,120
day they still don't know what those

642
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,720
were

643
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,200
no and you know you think so did they

644
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,880
mistakenly

645
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,039
enter his body you would think come on

646
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,679
orbs you mistakenly entered the body and

647
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,760
you should know by now that whatever

648
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,840
energy you have

649
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:39,840
is not it's detrimental to human beings

650
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,559
i would think um yeah so it's like you

651
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,480
have to wonder was it by accident or was

652
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,559
it intentional if it's intentional

653
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:48,080
that's horrible

654
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,080
um but if they're if they're a higher

655
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,080
intelligence they may look at us maybe

656
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,240
not like ants but you know look how we

657
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:56,080
treat animals of lower intelligence we

658
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,360
really don't think much about killing

659
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,679
them or injuring them some people

660
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:01,840
um so that it could be that case i don't

661
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,840
know

662
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,640
um

663
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,200
i think it was george nick who said uh

664
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,000
it's like um we're in a petting zoo to

665
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,480
them basically

666
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,400
and that could be

667
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,120
lewis said before um it

668
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,520
it may not be like intentional it could

669
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,919
be a byproduct of you know it may not

670
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:23,919
have been talking about these things but

671
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:26,799
uh like uh any harmfulness from it could

672
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,360
just be a byproduct of it being around

673
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,520
you know yeah what he says is he says

674
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,840
it's a he says it could be a threat but

675
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,480
it doesn't mean it has hostile intent

676
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:38,559
right yeah and i'm like

677
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,200
but it's like like i said i mean unless

678
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,440
they're really dumb orbs whatever they

679
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,600
are they should know by now and the

680
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,600
craft too the craft they come close to

681
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,559
people

682
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,080
that's one of the things with kid green

683
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,320
he only takes patients where they have a

684
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,000
very up-close sighting and they get

685
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,760
injured there's a list of of

686
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,640
pre-prerequisites that have to occur for

687
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,120
him to take a patient and 25 of his

688
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:03,039
patients die within five to seven years

689
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,679
and

690
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,440
kit doesn't think necessarily their

691
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,000
aliens or ufos he just deals with the

692
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,240
medical aspects of it and his opinion is

693
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,799
it may be black technology

694
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,559
i need to try to get kit

695
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,760
for a follow-up interview because my

696
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,679
interview i did with him is incomplete

697
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,760
um but yeah i don't know

698
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,760
um but at the very least we need to

699
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,360
figure out what it is because people are

700
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,200
injured and like i said the program was

701
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,960
two years and what they accomplished in

702
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,880
two years from listening to it there's

703
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,400
like a hundred i think they did 100

704
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,880
reports kelleher said that the binders

705
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,559
went up to six feet

706
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,080
in his office i mean they had so many

707
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,000
reports the dia has all of that and we

708
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,840
deserve to have that we need to have

709
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,279
that stuff there's no reason for it to

710
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,039
be classified

711
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,880
yeah that's a good point he just put on

712
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,440
record that uh there's a crap ton of

713
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,400
data that exists

714
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,640
that network that's being kept from us

715
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:54,320
yeah that's a great point

716
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,679
um

717
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,600
what do you make of because

718
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,600
you know i had uh green street on my

719
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,640
show a long time ago and he said that um

720
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,480
davis told him that he thinks it's

721
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:06,320
aliens

722
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,760
no woody

723
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,679
do you think that was made up or do you

724
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:12,080
think there's anything to that

725
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:15,760
uh yeah i think he thinks overall

726
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,200
we're being visited by something alien

727
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,919
not necessarily extraterrestrial

728
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,400
um they could be from this planet he

729
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,240
goes but he thinks they're using dement

730
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,760
whatever whatever it is they're using

731
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,240
dimensions to get here other dimensions

732
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,919
and makes sense

733
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,159
that's what i saw man in and out of a

734
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,720
dimension it didn't come from you know

735
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:39,600
up in the stars or anything it was like

736
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:40,559
in

737
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,320
and out of this like atmosphere you know

738
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,320
uh it was pretty weird you know one time

739
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,840
i got hit with the light on the shoulder

740
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,760
first you know

741
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,640
um

742
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,600
and then

743
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,840
it went straight in front of my face so

744
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,159
when when you were just talking about

745
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,039
um how the guy went to skinwalker and he

746
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,200
saw that thing and

747
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,960
he felt like it was important because

748
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,559
you don't just see stuff right away like

749
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:05,520
that

750
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,679
it's weird

751
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,960
and you had something hit you and

752
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,799
there's another case in the book

753
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:17,120
this guy's outside outside of his house

754
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,480
and this is again we can argue black

755
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,559
technology or non-human or whatever so

756
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,279
he sees the black triangle very low

757
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,799
nids did a lot of work on black

758
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:26,000
triangles there

759
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,200
before for people who don't know that

760
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,799
was the national institute of discovery

761
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,720
science uh that was bigelow's

762
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:32,880
organization back in

763
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,039
95 i think to 2004 if i'm correct and

764
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,880
then so they did a lot of work on black

765
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,559
triangles thought they were

766
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,840
military and then they changed their

767
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,000
mind i believe but this one it was

768
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,200
hovering low in the backyard uh this guy

769
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,039
decides to take his flashlight a really

770
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,200
strong flashlight and blast it before he

771
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,960
can blast it a beam comes down from the

772
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,600
crap hits him in the arm once again it's

773
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,600
not like no big injury but then he gets

774
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,600
really really sick

775
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,120
so it's like

776
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,120
if that's black tech if that is black

777
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,520
technology how did the folks

778
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:07,120
behind it know that he was about to

779
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,320
blast them

780
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,840
with the flashlight

781
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,679
because to me that sounds just like tic

782
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,159
tac telepathy you know how did they find

783
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:15,520
the cap point

784
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,960
um speculation by me

785
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,559
yeah that's that's right that's a great

786
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,720
point actually if yeah because there's

787
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:25,200
some pre-cognizance there

788
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:26,559
or

789
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:28,840
yeah just future telling straight

790
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,600
up you know cutting people off before

791
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:33,039
they can do that but why would you do

792
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,510
a big flashlight once

793
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,750
yeah i think he had a lot of tumors too

794
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,720
uh if i'm recalling that case um but

795
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:46,720
there's another case here's another

796
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,760
theory they put in the book so

797
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:52,159
there's a lady who sits next to let

798
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,360
catski

799
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,279
never went to the ranch

800
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,760
i think tonight

801
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,919
before

802
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,159
well he he gave up a briefing to the

803
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,840
department of homeland security trying

804
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,240
to get another home for assap and if you

805
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,480
read the book it was like he had taken

806
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,240
the time to finally go through all of

807
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,679
the data they collected he didn't have a

808
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,799
chance before he goes i'm going to

809
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,320
prepare for this

810
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:15,760
and he says it's the most they write

811
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,120
it's the most passionate defense of asap

812
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,960
giving them all of the data and they

813
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,880
listen seriously you know even the

814
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,559
controversial data

815
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,559
eventually it didn't happen but

816
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,320
the woman who sat next to him in the

817
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,520
office her brother who never had any

818
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,600
type of experiences started having

819
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,600
paranormal experiences

820
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,520
so it makes you think somehow

821
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:39,440
it's transferable

822
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,600
of the theories in the book um

823
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,840
now not the disease or injuries but the

824
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,159
phenomenon is somehow transferable and

825
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,760
then when you experience the phenomenon

826
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:51,039
depending on what happens you can get

827
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,000
sick

828
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,320
so that's really interesting how we're

829
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,640
not studying that is just beyond me i

830
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,240
hope somebody in the

831
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,159
go ahead sorry like something that just

832
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,720
opens up in you like once you hear

833
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,720
enough of it or

834
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:07,520
you open up enough to it

835
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,159
it can then manifest somehow because

836
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,640
you know you allow you're allowing more

837
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,880
things or you're being more open-minded

838
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,960
or something i wonder

839
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,559
yeah either that or it's somehow

840
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,480
affecting your ability to perceive

841
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:24,320
certain things now you can perceive them

842
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:25,360
but

843
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,320
um

844
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,760
it's kind of scary if it's something

845
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,919
that's transferable you know

846
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,520
and they mentioned covid they mentioned

847
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,880
covert but they said you know it's not

848
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,440
like the disease or the negative medical

849
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,039
effects those aren't transferable it's

850
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:39,120
just the phenomenon um people have

851
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,720
reported

852
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,200
you know people connected to the di dia

853
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,200
folks who were on the ranch all of them

854
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,880
brought it home to their families george

855
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,240
knapp brought her home to his family

856
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,600
eric davis brought her dumps to his

857
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,039
family

858
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,399
um yeah all of them call him kelleher uh

859
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,159
you know shadow being standing over the

860
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,200
bed orbs in the house uh one of the guys

861
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,279
jonathan axelrod his family had so much

862
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:04,080
activities teenage sons had this one son

863
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,679
the younger teenage son had red and

864
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,080
black red and blue orbs in the room that

865
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:10,399
that did some damage to this to the sun

866
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,600
um

867
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,679
and the teenage sons and the wife i

868
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,600
believe saw on separate occasions they

869
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,519
saw this upright this is where it gets

870
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:19,200
people have a very hard time believing

871
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:20,080
this but

872
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,360
you know it was like a wolf-like

873
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:24,159
creature on two legs in the backyard

874
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,960
um

875
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,559
they didn't say anything to anybody the

876
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,399
kids knew enough not to say anything

877
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:30,159
because it's so outlandish and then the

878
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,919
kids friends are like guess what i saw

879
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,760
in my backyard

880
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,679
the same thing so it's like you know

881
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,440
multiple witnesses not connect well

882
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:39,919
connected to each other um so that's

883
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:42,799
that's not a big part of the book um

884
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:44,840
but a lot of people

885
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,320
yeah it was in that too they were yeah

886
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,559
i think it started with uh those stories

887
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,559
didn't it for the skinwalker

888
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,240
with the werewolf feet and all that kind

889
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,080
of stuff and

890
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,640
there are yeah in that neighborhood in

891
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,960
the you basin in that neighborhood

892
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,960
there are just so many stories about

893
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:04,240
that

894
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:05,200
um

895
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:06,000
and then

896
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,519
on on the ranch there's a story from the

897
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,039
original not the original owners but the

898
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:11,600
owners uh before bigelow the shermans

899
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,559
they had a wolf a giant wolf walk up and

900
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,399
they shot it up close range and you know

901
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,320
a piece of flat police piece of flesh

902
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,159
came off but they couldn't kill it uh

903
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,720
then it attacked one of their um

904
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,120
baby cows a calf so yeah that story

905
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,640
people were like come on that's so

906
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,399
ridiculous i'm like well there's other

907
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,000
people who have seen things eric davis

908
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,519
and collin keller saw something in the

909
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,679
tree and then eric davis was frozen in

910
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,679
place with voices in his head and people

911
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,360
are like what that's not i didn't know

912
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,200
that yeah yeah so eric davis is on the

913
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,279
ranch um

914
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,200
all of a sudden you know i think it's at

915
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,880
the same time they saw this creature in

916
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,279
the tree uh they can only see the eyes i

917
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,679
think at the same time he gets frozen in

918
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,399
place he can't move he can't talk

919
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,159
whatever it was speaks through him

920
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,240
saying we're watching you i think it

921
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,720
came out of his mouth um he was messed

922
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,240
up for a little bit after that he talks

923
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,919
about it when i asked him about it and

924
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,440
when he's talking spoken about it on

925
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,200
shows he's like no big deal you know

926
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,200
they were just it wasn't like a an

927
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:09,120
exorcism or haunting it was it was just

928
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,159
something really brief and they were

929
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,240
just letting us know they were there

930
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,679
and there are people like eric davis has

931
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,279
no credibility i'm like why because he

932
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,720
told the story that you have a hard time

933
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,240
believing i mean there are so many

934
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,080
stories like that in the book you have

935
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,880
people need to get over that

936
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,799
i mean like you just got to think of

937
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,799
like what what were

938
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,840
i mean the topic in general ufos uh

939
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,080
extraterrestrials interdimensionals the

940
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:33,840
whole thing is

941
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:34,640
you know

942
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,760
from the outside in is unbelievable

943
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,679
so what what makes

944
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,000
one thing more unbelievable than the

945
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,760
other it's kind of like anything can

946
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,279
really go

947
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,559
um

948
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,039
as long as you know it's

949
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,720
you know coming from someone like eric

950
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,559
davis you know

951
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,320
um

952
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,640
i never thought i'd be in any like

953
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,720
wrapped up in any of this stuff you know

954
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:00,960
so as far as i'm concerned like

955
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,840
anything is really possible you know

956
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,440
i'm not gonna go believe in everything

957
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,240
but but i'm open to absolutely

958
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,480
almost anything you know yeah when i

959
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,919
hear stories like that from credible

960
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,119
people i'm like

961
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,440
i i believe them i don't know what it is

962
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,280
though i don't know if it's like

963
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,359
when you see a wolf in the backyard

964
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,879
people are multiple witnesses of

965
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,599
reporting that i don't and the tree had

966
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,280
marks from the from the claws so there's

967
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,879
physical evidence that something was

968
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,760
there

969
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,359
but is that you know you think is that

970
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,879
thing still in the neighborhood did it

971
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,879
did it did it you know escape is it

972
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,720
running around still did it go back to

973
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,159
where it came from was it really

974
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,240
something real did the intelligence

975
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,879
behind ufos create that you know is that

976
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,320
just something they mess with us with

977
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,560
it's like no idea no idea there's so

978
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,560
many possibilities but the fact that

979
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,720
it's being

980
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:51,760
oh i feel like he's interrupting it

981
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,440
i i just remembered that uh in

982
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,920
in uh hunt for the skinwalker the story

983
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,400
about the werewolf like they went to go

984
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:03,040
look for it afterwards and there were no

985
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,230
the tracks and i think that was chris

986
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,119
bartel's story i believe

987
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,680
and there's other stories like that

988
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,640
and yeah yeah it's like that's kind of

989
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:18,640
manifestation

990
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:19,440
yeah

991
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,400
well i i can't explain it scientifically

992
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,589
but all right

993
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,760
i i don't want to hog your time it's up

994
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:33,040
to you if you want to stay you can i'm

995
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,480
going to go through just some quotes

996
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,839
from the book that i pulled up you could

997
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,280
stay or go

998
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,200
yeah i don't want to you know stop

999
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,720
anyone else from joining yes so there's

1000
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,400
nobody else all there is is mark but it

1001
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,079
says his device is not connected so i

1002
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,920
can't go to him some people have a

1003
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,839
problem

1004
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:50,560
yeah let me let me go to the

1005
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:54,400
photos let's see if that works

1006
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,230
so it starts out

1007
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,000
get so to dedicate the book to uh

1008
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,320
bigelow and senator harry reid

1009
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,640
um yeah without it would have never

1010
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,240
happened and people were like i said

1011
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,760
earlier people were like oh this was

1012
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,960
geared for harry reid it was a

1013
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,560
sweetheart deal it's like

1014
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,480
they're really i can't think of anybody

1015
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,400
else you know who could have pulled this

1016
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,400
off besides bigelow and bass with the

1017
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,000
experience he had with nids which was

1018
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,720
perfect also in their bid in their

1019
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,040
response now there was a proposal put

1020
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,359
out request for a proposal bas was the

1021
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,119
only one that put back a proposal and in

1022
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,400
the proposal one of the things is like

1023
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,839
we're going to use remote viewing to try

1024
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,680
to get the answers i don't think anybody

1025
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:40,240
else would even thought about that you

1026
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,960
know

1027
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,440
so let's point works doesn't have rv

1028
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,720
section so

1029
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,200
exactly so this is what the caskets le

1030
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,760
cassie talks about march 2 2007 he goes

1031
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,280
i read the book cover to cover i was

1032
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:52,960
legitimately interested in this as a

1033
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,839
useful as useful to the military which

1034
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,280
is always disappointing to me because

1035
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,920
everything is used in the military

1036
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:01,760
and useful to my particular group which

1037
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,920
was looking at possible threats to new

1038
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,240
weapons systems that's what attracted my

1039
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,400
attention lakotsky was particularly

1040
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,920
captivated by the books accounts of the

1041
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,079
paranormal and the more he read the more

1042
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,520
alarmed he became that something

1043
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,240
technological of uncertain ownership

1044
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,240
might be operating undetected in the

1045
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,480
united states airspace after all a lot

1046
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,480
of different objects that flew silently

1047
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,240
and had remarkable aerodynamic

1048
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,160
characteristics and widely different

1049
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,720
shapes and sizes seems

1050
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,560
seem to have manif have manifest

1051
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:32,720
infested this particular quiet corner of

1052
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:36,880
the state which was skinwalker ranch

1053
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,079
um and this was the guy who was like

1054
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,160
axelrod jonathan actually i'm not sure

1055
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,079
if that's his name he worked closely

1056
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,079
with lakotsky and

1057
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,320
uh he was the acknowledged leader

1058
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,079
there's three guys who first went to the

1059
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,000
ranch he was the leader of those uh

1060
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:54,000
senior aerospace engineer in naval

1061
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,280
intelligence

1062
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,640
uh his

1063
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,640
calm demeanor and infectious sense of

1064
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,240
humor enabled him to move easily in

1065
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
pentagon circles

1066
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,480
and he is the one you know we always

1067
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,119
heard atip investigated

1068
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,880
the tic tac case

1069
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:10,320
but we're going to get rid of this but

1070
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:13,599
it wasn't a tip it was it was all sap

1071
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,069
and the man who

1072
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,520
started the investigation was axelrod

1073
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,079
in 2009 he was the lead investigator of

1074
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,920
the now infamous tic tac case that had

1075
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:29,599
embroiled the nimitz aircraft strike

1076
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,400
group

1077
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,040
um

1078
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,000
so that's basically he was the one and

1079
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,000
interviewed everybody he he interviewed

1080
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,920
people that we probably have i'm pretty

1081
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:42,000
sure we have never heard from uh and

1082
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,200
there may be more to that case that

1083
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,040
we've never heard about too

1084
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:48,240
um the lou didn't interview like fravor

1085
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,440
and all that

1086
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,280
lou may have interviewed them later but

1087
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,280
it started before that so i'm not

1088
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,119
exactly sure if lou was part of

1089
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,359
axelrod's interviews i'm not sure if

1090
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,440
they were together on that there's lots

1091
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:01,280
of questions

1092
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,480
axel rod

1093
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,160
yeah and it's like i don't know if it's

1094
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,920
his real name but there is another axle

1095
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,800
rod

1096
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:08,000
um

1097
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,280
who was

1098
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,920
the point man for ingo swann when engel

1099
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,599
swann

1100
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,000
was taken and did some remote viewing of

1101
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,400
the moon his contact point person was

1102
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,160
axelrod so i was like is that the same

1103
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,240
guy as far as i know no

1104
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,000
um

1105
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:26,400
but it says axelrod was con confessed he

1106
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,550
after after afterwards axelrod axelrod

1107
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,000
started bringing hope stuff to his

1108
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:38,000
family and he was disturbed that you

1109
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,280
know

1110
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,359
his his house was turning into a bizarre

1111
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,760
paranormal disneyland

1112
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,400
uh and once again people who i i think

1113
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,000
this debate is over

1114
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,560
because people one of the debates was

1115
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,560
well yeah they studied ufos but the

1116
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,800
original purpose was to study you know

1117
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,599
aerospace technologies out 50 years and

1118
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,960
then lakatsky bigelow they decided to go

1119
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,359
rogue and study ufos on their own

1120
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,000
without the knowledge and and support of

1121
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:08,160
the dia but if you read the book it says

1122
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,359
that lakoski had the backing of two dia

1123
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,440
directors uh and he says you know this

1124
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,200
was a ufo program period that was the

1125
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:17,760
perfect perfect purpose from the start

1126
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,480
um and interesting enough like they

1127
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,520
don't

1128
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,440
they didn't need them for aerospace

1129
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:25,599
stuff there was there's already so many

1130
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,960
companies doing that you know

1131
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,160
you know what i mean like they already

1132
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,240
had have well i don't know for sure but

1133
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:35,040
contracts with like northrop or lockheed

1134
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:35,920
and

1135
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,960
you know spacex or whatever so

1136
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,920
you know

1137
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,359
he goes on he goes furthermore he goes

1138
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,280
this was about how ufos might fit into

1139
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:44,880
the realm of what we might consider the

1140
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:47,599
paranormal lekatsky believed then as now

1141
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,000
the study focused solely on ufos on

1142
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,240
various unknown nuts and bolts type

1143
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,520
craft

1144
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,599
floating around the skies over military

1145
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,440
bases and facilities would never get to

1146
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,720
the heart of a much larger and

1147
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,800
complicated mystery you're going to be

1148
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,119
hunting for aliens cruising by from now

1149
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,119
until doomsday and you're never going to

1150
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,400
solve anything

1151
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,079
so we'll get back to that stuff later

1152
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,000
but yeah and that's that's what knapp

1153
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,000
told us he goes yeah that's why catskill

1154
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,480
was so important uh after after he had

1155
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,680
the experience he's like we need to

1156
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,400
study all of this uh and it's gonna be

1157
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,000
it's a problem right now in our field

1158
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,400
people don't want to touch this stuff

1159
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,839
well i mean

1160
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:24,800
you just

1161
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,640
all right i'm stuck in the 50s and 60s

1162
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,800
right now but you just think of that

1163
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:31,760
like

1164
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,720
all the decades that have passed and

1165
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:37,440
you know where we really gotten

1166
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,839
by

1167
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,680
disassociating it with consciousness in

1168
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,160
paranormal and dimensions

1169
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,720
and other possibilities you know you

1170
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,720
can't keep letting that stigma

1171
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,960
you know clamp down your ability to

1172
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,520
learn you know which is

1173
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,000
kind of what we've been seeing you know

1174
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,839
barely able to admit that they're even

1175
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:00,160
investigating it let alone going into

1176
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,599
the consciousness side yeah they did a

1177
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,359
lot of rv stuff

1178
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,440
um

1179
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:07,599
but as far as i know they weren't you

1180
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,400
know incorporating that ufo study now i

1181
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:12,720
did find an sri document

1182
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,800
um to maybe it was the cia in the late

1183
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:18,800
70s

1184
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,680
asking about a ufo uh project and if

1185
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,000
they'd be interested in it

1186
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,800
but it was assumed no so you know i

1187
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,800
don't think they did it but

1188
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,839
um it's very interesting but

1189
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,520
you know you you have to take all

1190
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,200
aspects of that on especially if it's

1191
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,040
going to be something so complicated

1192
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,640
like to know what it is you have to know

1193
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,560
what it isn't right

1194
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,839
exactly and as

1195
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,839
as copy barrow captain says the public

1196
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:47,839
will throw the ufo baby out with the

1197
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,560
consciousness bathwater that is that is

1198
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,280
a t-shirt

1199
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,119
and it's true it's like it's all for me

1200
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,640
it's always been about consciousness and

1201
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,560
i've said before it's like

1202
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,680
i think

1203
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,240
when if the masses ever accept the fact

1204
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,800
that just basic ufos are real

1205
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,880
i think the next question by most of

1206
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,480
those people will be

1207
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,319
what else were they lying to us about

1208
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,839
and that's when we get introduced and

1209
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,800
that's when we can introduce

1210
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,640
consciousness and you know like this

1211
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,400
stuff there's something to this you need

1212
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,000
to look into this remote viewing is the

1213
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,160
first thing like you said

1214
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,240
uh like mike demante said the government

1215
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,920
studied it for 20 years the government

1216
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,440
doesn't study something for 20 years if

1217
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:27,119
they're not getting anything about out

1218
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,319
of it and people like well the

1219
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,520
government the bureaucracy you know well

1220
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,119
you got to speak to the people uh

1221
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,040
involved and there are some great remote

1222
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,720
viewers now the old folks you know lynn

1223
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,400
buchanan mcmonagle great but they're a

1224
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,640
new dad smith is one of the like a

1225
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,760
shining new remote viewer um so that's

1226
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,119
that's something i got interested in the

1227
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,800
90s too when i first heard about it i'm

1228
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,839
like

1229
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,880
this is really interesting so

1230
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,560
i'm trying to think what else there's a

1231
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,359
lot more isn't it kind of like maybe

1232
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,200
where people go wrong where they think

1233
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,400
we relied on that solely to like do

1234
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,200
things like that it was really a tool it

1235
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,280
was a good asset and tool yes the

1236
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,200
problem that's the problem

1237
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,760
yeah people people were like

1238
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,359
sometimes the remote being doesn't work

1239
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,119
sometimes your data that you get is

1240
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,440
garbage so if you don't have backup

1241
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,599
information from other sources of intel

1242
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:19,440
from spies on the ground from satellite

1243
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,560
photos

1244
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,240
you can't rely on the information i mean

1245
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:24,240
if you're in a desperate situation like

1246
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:25,200
say

1247
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,920
kidnapped and you and you got to use

1248
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:32,240
them okay um but yeah it was always used

1249
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,839
as a tool like you said

1250
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,800
um you need feedback to know if you're

1251
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,280
right that's why when you do ufo targets

1252
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:41,040
it's like yeah that's interesting but

1253
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,240
unless you have feedback to know if

1254
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,000
you're right or not it's kind of useless

1255
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:46,000
interesting but useless so drew says if

1256
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:47,200
these events are really happening in

1257
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,000
skinwalk or why have people asap dia

1258
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,680
abandoned their study of the phenomena

1259
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,839
at the ranch so

1260
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,400
i think when it got killed the funding

1261
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,400
was such an issue for various reasons

1262
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,920
they tried to get funding they tried to

1263
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,599
go to the department of home department

1264
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:05,040
of homeland security um came close

1265
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,480
plus there are people in the pentagon

1266
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:07,839
that think

1267
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,520
this is demonic and you know it's like

1268
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,920
you can make the argument that

1269
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:16,319
once you start studying this you bring

1270
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,359
it home

1271
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,720
yeah and

1272
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,800
you know and it's dangerous on that

1273
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,720
level but i think more i don't think

1274
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,400
it's the ranch i think it's

1275
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,079
the ranch has a lot of this stuff that

1276
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,319
happens a lot so

1277
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,800
people bring it home and then stuff

1278
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,160
happens but i don't think it's the rents

1279
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,599
necessarily i think the ranch just may

1280
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,800
be a portal

1281
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,599
um

1282
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,599
and it's you know you kind of hit

1283
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:39,520
something there too like maybe once you

1284
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,560
start you know researching it um you

1285
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,240
don't really have the ability to stop

1286
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,640
because it doesn't go away

1287
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,520
you know

1288
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:50,079
so you kind of have to keep trying to

1289
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,960
and

1290
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:52,000
maybe

1291
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,359
you know the

1292
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,880
the people who thought they were demons

1293
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,800
or whatever like

1294
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,880
they thought differently and

1295
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,319
found out quickly that that was

1296
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,839
incorrect

1297
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,520
and george knapp even george snappy said

1298
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,040
maybe they are demons but we should we

1299
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,960
need to find out we need to find out

1300
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,119
what the heck we're dealing with

1301
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:11,200
don't be scared

1302
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,079
yeah

1303
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,319
so let's see i'm trying to think so what

1304
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:17,280
else what else did i pull apart here

1305
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,069
the person who ran the uap task force he

1306
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,280
was a high ranking person so he had he

1307
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,599
had complete knowledge of the smallest

1308
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,480
details nuances of asap which was so

1309
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,160
important to have that person in there

1310
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,680
and now they're gone

1311
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,920
uh we need to get that person back

1312
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,200
and

1313
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,480
hello lou

1314
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,560
lou from unidentified celebrity view has

1315
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:45,440
joined us in the chat

1316
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,430
interesting a slide from the book

1317
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,960
intensive study of skin walker ranch

1318
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,520
yielded little tangible data so bigelow

1319
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,920
bigelow's opinion was he goes i didn't

1320
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,599
know during the mids period he goes i

1321
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,040
didn't know who we whom we were

1322
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,720
communicating with and there are two

1323
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,880
choices basically there was either

1324
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,040
discarnate entities

1325
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,400
non-human entities or et's uh and i

1326
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,079
don't know i mean it could be a mix of

1327
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,000
all of that it could be non-humans is

1328
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:15,760
like that could be freaking anything

1329
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,520
that could be chicken ghosts probably

1330
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:22,240
chicken ghosts and tic tacs

1331
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,200
yes

1332
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,960
and i think some and then there's part

1333
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,480
of me that thinks are we creating this

1334
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,000
ourselves because if you look into

1335
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,599
seances back

1336
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,280
back in the old days in the 1800s where

1337
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:33,760
sciences were so prevalent

1338
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:34,559
the

1339
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,200
see

1340
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,640
in you know when we talk about

1341
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,960
hitchhikers um but it takes time for it

1342
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,559
to happen it's almost like the energy

1343
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,240
builds up so you're thinking is it

1344
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:47,920
coming from us

1345
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,720
and there's also a case called the the

1346
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:52,880
it was out of toronto

1347
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,359
and they created a character for a ouija

1348
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,079
board um the philip case they created

1349
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,240
every detail of its life and those

1350
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,920
details that they created out of thin

1351
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,680
air came through during the ouija board

1352
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,960
so it makes you think is it coming

1353
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,559
through your subconscious

1354
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,960
um so here's here's my

1355
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,760
i'll

1356
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:12,160
spill the beans on your show about uh

1357
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,359
why

1358
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,520
i was starting to think uh last night

1359
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,680
that that could be the case

1360
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,040
so

1361
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,119
in my experience i at first

1362
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,920
i saw these things you know two of them

1363
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:25,680
and they kind of surrounded a dream that

1364
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,480
came to fruition from a few years back

1365
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,680
um

1366
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,359
and i was thinking i wasn't really into

1367
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,240
ufos that much i was looking a little at

1368
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,079
like shows and news and keeping up but

1369
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,960
not really you know super into it

1370
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,160
um

1371
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,559
but you know i started thinking last

1372
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:45,359
night i'm i'm thinking like what what

1373
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,520
else happened you know around that time

1374
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,280
and

1375
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,240
i remember driving to work one morning

1376
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,160
and the sun sun was rising and

1377
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,079
everything and i didn't really i wasn't

1378
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,680
a sky watcher or anything i would never

1379
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:01,839
look at the sky so i was unfamiliar with

1380
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,480
the observations i was making

1381
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,960
and there's like a jet stream or

1382
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:08,240
whatever

1383
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,040
um

1384
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,000
right up over the sun and you know those

1385
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,079
jets they get that bright light at the

1386
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,800
tip of it that just gets really bright

1387
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,720
um but it's because of the sun

1388
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,240
reflecting it and everything but at the

1389
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,960
time i wasn't really aware

1390
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,800
of what those things looked like and it

1391
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,400
just looked

1392
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,319
crazy to me and i was

1393
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,800
convinced that i had a sighting of

1394
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,240
something to the point where i was

1395
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:34,160
drawing it at work like drawing it up

1396
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:35,359
and everything

1397
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,720
and then i later realized that that was

1398
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,160
just that right

1399
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,520
so

1400
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,760
before i had my first

1401
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,599
the same night before i saw the first

1402
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,920
thing i'm looking at this guy

1403
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,920
i've written that other thing off like

1404
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,839
that wasn't that wasn't anything that

1405
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,920
sucks

1406
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,599
but that's what it is

1407
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,839
and i'm looking at the sky and i see a

1408
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,680
couple lights blinking back and forth

1409
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,319
and they're like alternating

1410
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,480
and i'm thinking

1411
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,720
that it was a plane or something or a

1412
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,960
plane or something weird

1413
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,319
but i wasn't really sure but it was

1414
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,760
actually more on the this is something

1415
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,839
weird side but later i found out there

1416
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,280
were planes because i looked up like a

1417
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,119
flight tracker thing

1418
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,760
but it was right it was after that

1419
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:22,240
when i went back into the house

1420
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,040
that

1421
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,599
i saw the thing

1422
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,200
and i wonder if

1423
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,280
all that that happened before was what

1424
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:30,960
we're talking about

1425
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,760
you know it was like i was

1426
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:36,720
unbeknownst to me and opened myself up

1427
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,400
to accept seeing something like that

1428
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:41,760
and then

1429
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,920
somebody like me who is very open and

1430
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,319
i'm not and i say it all time i am not

1431
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,880
asking for experiences i do not i do not

1432
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,559
need to have experiences

1433
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,640
it's almost like acting it in you know

1434
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,480
because like i thought i was

1435
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,559
like i was already in that situation i

1436
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,640
was experiencing it i didn't know that

1437
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,800
it wasn't anything though you know like

1438
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,960
i was in that moment

1439
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,440
emotionally thinking it was real

1440
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:10,000
and so maybe there's something

1441
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,359
to that

1442
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,920
you know like uh intention or law of

1443
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,680
attraction or something like that you

1444
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,040
know where

1445
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,200
if you really believe it

1446
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,119
enough to where you know you have those

1447
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:23,040
emotions attached to it and you make it

1448
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,319
happen

1449
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,319
um maybe that was enough for it really

1450
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,760
to happen

1451
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,200
you know i don't know yeah that's a good

1452
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:31,200
theory i mean i don't know and it's like

1453
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,559
i have

1454
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,559
i i tell and i've told the story before

1455
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,800
i saw it was like the only real thing i

1456
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,280
saw that i'm positive it was anomalous

1457
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,520
pretty sure was outside my door here one

1458
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,079
night my dog was growling

1459
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,559
um so i got up and looked

1460
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,359
and about 15 feet 20 feet in front of me

1461
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,400
there was like

1462
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,760
i'd say

1463
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,760
large softball size

1464
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,839
uh looked like a dull white orb that

1465
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,599
just went right to left right off the

1466
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,520
ground really loaded

1467
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,920
but really fast so fast it was a blur

1468
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,200
like nothing that i had ever seen i'm

1469
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,160
like you know that's not normal um but i

1470
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,520
haven't seen it again and i don't know

1471
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,720
what the hell it was and what am i going

1472
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,920
to say about that it's like i saw a

1473
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:12,000
blurry orb that went right to left and

1474
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:13,040
it was it

1475
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,400
maybe it was one of the good orbs

1476
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:15,920
because the blue ones there's so many

1477
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,470
yeah the kid the one younger teenager

1478
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,559
had blue and red orbs but the majority

1479
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,640
that i hear are blue like skinwalker

1480
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,880
ranch back in the during the knits days

1481
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,960
or it was before nids terry sherman had

1482
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,280
these this one blue orb that was

1483
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,800
taunting his dog i don't know if you

1484
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,160
heard the story and it took off in the

1485
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,359
woods the dogs followed he heard a yelp

1486
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,280
the next day the dogs were you know the

1487
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,720
dogs were gone

1488
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,960
i can't do that so basically yeah the

1489
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,880
the thing took out the door dogs and

1490
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,000
then there was another one where the

1491
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,440
blue orb is hanging around by the horse

1492
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,880
the horse is like almost treating it

1493
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,880
like a fly annoyed comes over to the

1494
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,720
husband and wife terry and

1495
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,640
gwen sherman and

1496
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,559
they're just terrified beyond belief

1497
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,480
like something not nor not normal type

1498
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,480
of fear which you hear about on the

1499
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,960
ranch which i've never experienced

1500
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:08,800
um

1501
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:14,079
i forgot what his name was but he's part

1502
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,119
of the

1503
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,680
crew that is there now in his security

1504
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,599
or something anyway

1505
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,119
dragon

1506
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,040
the other guy no

1507
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,640
i don't know but anyways

1508
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,640
yeah i guess like some people like broke

1509
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,280
in there or something and they performed

1510
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:31,760
like like a seance or something

1511
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:34,880
and then he explained like how it just

1512
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,720
the whole place had this really deep

1513
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,319
like dark

1514
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,640
vibe to it that you know you couldn't

1515
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,920
shake or get rid of it and it was like

1516
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,520
yeah it's just the

1517
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,920
yeah maybe it's like a uh coming

1518
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,000
together type of place for all this to

1519
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,000
happen like a mixing pot and then it

1520
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,200
goes out into the world you know

1521
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,720
like

1522
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,760
there's a lot

1523
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,640
there

1524
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:02,400
chris bartel

1525
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,079
uh thanks for the comment joe um

1526
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:08,960
yeah send it to or tweet it and and tag

1527
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,720
me on twitter um chris bartel who was a

1528
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,319
who did security on the ranch did more

1529
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,319
than security but he he believes it's

1530
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,079
connected to you know

1531
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,000
um disturbing native land but then i

1532
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,559
said to him i said but the oregon case

1533
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,160
you know they're driving on the highway

1534
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,760
there's nothing native about it and the

1535
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:28,160
or just the act of looking at it if you

1536
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,520
want to talk about quantum physics and

1537
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,440
the observer effect she looks at it and

1538
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,760
then it just starts the you know

1539
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:35,599
the cascading of events that winds up

1540
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,720
with her dad getting cancer um but yeah

1541
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,200
there's a lot of it's like everybody

1542
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,200
people are getting you know autoimmune

1543
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,599
diseases when this stuff is coming home

1544
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,200
to them from people who were on the

1545
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,520
ranch at skinwalker so it's like

1546
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,920
why we're not studying it um is beyond

1547
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:54,400
me but the whole the whole so for people

1548
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,760
who haven't read the book basically it

1549
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,079
takes you through the two years uh they

1550
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,400
accomplished an amazing amount of

1551
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,400
work in two years they as soon as it

1552
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:05,280
started out uh colin kelleher conducted

1553
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:08,799
all the interviews uh hired 50 people

1554
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,480
scientists uh experts they call them

1555
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,040
they call them um

1556
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,799
matter subject matter experts so they

1557
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,200
had a special focus so they were experts

1558
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,640
um

1559
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,319
and basically it went for two years and

1560
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,079
they were battling for funding through

1561
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:26,000
that uh they did as much as they can

1562
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:27,760
they studied civilian cases they did

1563
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,799
study military asap studied military and

1564
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,640
civilian cases

1565
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,440
atip the non-existent

1566
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,839
portfolio which was not really a program

1567
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,760
they just focused on military i mean it

1568
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,760
it's a look and then but i hear i hear

1569
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,359
comments from people who talk about a

1570
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,160
tip existing before asap so it's like

1571
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,240
it's still confusing to me and you know

1572
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:50,079
i've i've i've taken some shots of

1573
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,359
people who are

1574
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:53,440
who have said some things about assa but

1575
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,799
you know i'm not gonna lie i was

1576
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,960
confused jeremy corbell when i went to i

1577
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,960
went to the premiere of

1578
00:56:01,829 --> 00:56:00,480
hunt for the skinwalker and i talked to

1579
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:01,839
jeremy i'm like jeremy this is like

1580
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,400
2018. i'm like can you explain awesome

1581
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,079
to me and he explained it

1582
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,920
and he understood it but i still was

1583
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,839
confused i'm like

1584
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,760
um

1585
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,799
yeah

1586
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:15,440
no the book explains it very well uh

1587
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,440
eric davis hal put off said it was

1588
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,319
a nickname which was used to protect the

1589
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,119
original name asap and then lou alzando

1590
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,720
said well people say it was a nickname

1591
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:28,160
but we didn't treat it as a nickname

1592
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,680
that's fine we didn't treat it as a

1593
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,520
nickname and i think was right i think

1594
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,200
the people in his office they considered

1595
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,960
themselves

1596
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,799
that's just a name and then they and

1597
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:38,319
it's on the documents and they briefed

1598
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,680
it as a tip as you can see some of the

1599
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,280
briefing slides

1600
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:43,520
that's a uh there's a historical

1601
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,400
president

1602
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,720
for that like uh project blue book and

1603
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,280
grudge and everything um you know they

1604
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:50,880
were

1605
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,160
referred to as

1606
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:56,799
nicknames or code names for the work of

1607
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,480
attic and osi basically so

1608
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,480
you know

1609
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:04,559
that's just how they do things

1610
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,000
you know that's just that's a security

1611
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,079
you have to do that stuff

1612
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,760
here's a comment and and i actually read

1613
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,680
that i need to read it again um they

1614
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:15,200
didn't name that person you know six

1615
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:16,720
minutes into the mystery wire interview

1616
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:20,079
he says they hired someone from af osi

1617
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,599
with 20 years experience i don't know

1618
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:23,119
who they're referring to

1619
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,079
um

1620
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,480
i don't think it was richard doty

1621
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,559
but that person helped them

1622
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:30,880
try to get the air force data they

1623
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,079
wanted to rule out any prosaic air force

1624
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,960
technology um but basically the air

1625
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,400
force came back and said you guys need

1626
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,319
to get special access program status if

1627
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,920
you want to get access to any of our

1628
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,599
stuff

1629
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,680
so the 2009 effort they didn't really

1630
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,520
push hard in that letter to lin they

1631
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:49,359
didn't really push hard for sap status i

1632
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,880
think in 2011 they tried again and

1633
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,880
failure again um

1634
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:56,960
yeah so yeah so any

1635
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,680
the problem is if we do get an

1636
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,280
we need to get this is what i said i

1637
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,040
said we need to get an assat like

1638
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,720
program if we really want to understand

1639
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,160
that i mean to me it's exciting to see

1640
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:08,000
what they accomplished in two years if

1641
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,760
we could do the same thing but do it all

1642
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,680
over the country all over the world it

1643
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,839
needs to be we can amazing imagine the

1644
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,440
data we can get and make it public i

1645
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,040
don't know how we could fund it but we

1646
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,880
need to fund it with somebody who has

1647
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,640
deep pockets we need

1648
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,040
somebody like you know

1649
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:24,880
jeff bezos or

1650
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,440
yeah any of the billionaires or sorrows

1651
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,520
but what about that guy

1652
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:31,839
he's got a i guess he has a very bad

1653
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,720
reputation yes like he's mr evil but

1654
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,640
yeah which i think is ridiculous but

1655
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,480
anyway i won't get into any of that

1656
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,400
stuff um but yeah somebody would

1657
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:42,160
somebody with that

1658
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,599
money can put it in and then we could

1659
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,119
study it and try to figure it out i

1660
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,559
don't know if the special access

1661
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,640
programs that have programs right now

1662
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,319
you know the whether the crash retrieval

1663
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,119
program or something else i don't know

1664
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,190
um

1665
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,960
access

1666
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,720
to data that tells them what we're

1667
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:02,079
dealing with

1668
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,119
right

1669
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,520
thank you linda thank you very very much

1670
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,680
um so i don't know if those programs i

1671
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,440
don't know if those programs have access

1672
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,040
i don't know if anybody has access lou

1673
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:13,119
says you know yeah you know in theory we

1674
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,559
have bodies and we have craft that

1675
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,839
doesn't mean we know where they're from

1676
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,480
we don't know whether their intent is

1677
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:19,680
but

1678
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,799
can't spend time on on data or instances

1679
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,480
where people are taking home stuff and

1680
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,640
it's injuring people that's put aside

1681
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,640
everything else we're alone we're not

1682
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,400
alone what they're from all that stuff

1683
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:34,319
but if people are getting injured um

1684
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:36,000
yeah i don't i don't know how prevalent

1685
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,440
that is i don't know how widespread that

1686
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:39,839
is i don't know all the data i do

1687
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,880
remember that um kellier said

1688
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,160
um

1689
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,280
they were they had over a hundred cases

1690
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:50,240
i think it was worldwide where

1691
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,079
um pilots had encounters and had uh

1692
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:57,359
health issues afterwards of varying uh

1693
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,640
sorts

1694
01:00:03,190 --> 00:59:59,760
so

1695
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,200
point that is a good point i did tweet

1696
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,680
that i i saw that hundreds of cases and

1697
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,200
somebody brought up that

1698
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,440
you know jeremy mcgowan said skinwalker

1699
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,520
isn't paranormal well you know

1700
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:14,000
technological back the stories go back

1701
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:15,680
for hundreds of years

1702
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,559
uh in the uintah basin so it's like

1703
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:20,240
you have to you have to explain that

1704
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,920
it's the same just with ufos when you

1705
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,119
want to say some of this is our

1706
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,520
technology it's like okay

1707
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,119
so what did kit green's parents see in

1708
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,359
the early 30s rising up out of a lake

1709
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,680
that was technology that wasn't

1710
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,400
technology you know what i saw and you

1711
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,240
know that only goes so far with people

1712
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,920
and i understand that but

1713
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,599
you know um

1714
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:40,720
i'm not

1715
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,440
the ufo type of person and i make fun of

1716
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:44,960
ghost shows and

1717
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,960
you know i was a jock or a musician and

1718
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:50,799
you know all that like

1719
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:53,440
i didn't see nuts and bolts you know i

1720
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:54,559
saw

1721
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,599
a light entity

1722
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,760
that was right up in my grill

1723
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,349
so

1724
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,319
does that mean i know what it is no

1725
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,119
but uh what what year was that

1726
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:11,280
that was last year

1727
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:12,240
and

1728
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:13,040
um

1729
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:14,799
the first thing was the beginning of the

1730
01:01:19,220 --> 01:01:18,160
bowling season so that was

1731
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,230
uh must have been

1732
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,640
[Music]

1733
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,319
i forgot when that started but late

1734
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:25,440
august usually or beginning of september

1735
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,640
um

1736
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,559
yeah and

1737
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:30,000
it all happened

1738
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:31,280
you're brave for talking about that

1739
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:32,240
because i know a lot of people don't

1740
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,599
want to talk about it which i understand

1741
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,359
too you know

1742
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:37,119
uh yeah because you know i don't even

1743
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:38,960
know what it is and you know to talk

1744
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,599
about it not have answers sucks you know

1745
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,280
but

1746
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,119
i'd rather get it out there because i

1747
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:47,119
would i would love for somebody to hear

1748
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,079
it

1749
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:49,599
you know tell me that they've had the

1750
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:53,760
same kind of you know experience

1751
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:54,559
you know

1752
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,280
and sharing that but it's a stigma that

1753
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,119
always keeps that down you know and all

1754
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:03,760
these documents i read man especially

1755
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,119
the civilian cases sometimes uh the osi

1756
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,680
agent will ask well why did you wait to

1757
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:12,480
report this and it's always the same

1758
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:15,039
like i was afraid of being ridiculed or

1759
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:17,920
made fun of you know

1760
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:18,839
and that

1761
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,520
sucks that sucks yeah the fact that it's

1762
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:23,119
still going on i mean lou mentioned the

1763
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,640
case in the air force that the guy

1764
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,760
wanted to come forward and i don't know

1765
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,359
if it was stigma

1766
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,839
as much as stigma as it was the person

1767
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:31,599
running his office whatever in the air

1768
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:32,880
force was like you're not going to talk

1769
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:35,359
about this um here's a question from

1770
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,039
calling all beings do we think brandon

1771
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,599
fugal was briefed on some of these prior

1772
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,280
efforts anyone heard from him since

1773
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,200
yesterday i haven't heard from him i

1774
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:45,599
haven't seen him comment on the book

1775
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,640
um

1776
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,880
i know that he said he was sent

1777
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,280
he was asked to come to washington and

1778
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:53,680
brief those folks on what he was

1779
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:56,000
experiencing on the ranch so i don't

1780
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,119
know if it went i'm sure it went the

1781
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,559
other way i'm sure they shared some

1782
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:00,559
information with him but there's only so

1783
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,000
much you can share unless he's you know

1784
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,720
if he's right into something or cleared

1785
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,640
i yeah i would imagine like he's a

1786
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:08,720
pretty smart guy so i would imagine he

1787
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,200
would probably required some sort of

1788
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:13,119
you know information he'd felt

1789
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,720
comfortable with before buying the

1790
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,440
property whatever that may be

1791
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:18,960
right

1792
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,839
and um there's a lot of ho-hum with this

1793
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,359
book which i don't get because i don't

1794
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,440
think everybody who's saying this is a

1795
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:27,039
nothing burger this is ridiculous i

1796
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:28,480
don't think everybody has read it people

1797
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:31,520
need to read it um oh yeah that's true

1798
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:34,079
that's like come on read it first

1799
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:35,280
i mean we've been waiting to hear from

1800
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:37,119
ludkosky forever and keller hurt

1801
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,720
kelleher doesn't get as much publicity

1802
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,799
because he's been around but keller had

1803
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,880
did so much work the guy

1804
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:44,400
he was a

1805
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:47,839
i think microbiologist uh phd um yeah

1806
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:48,480
and

1807
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,359
brilliant both of them to have people

1808
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,799
like that to have people like help put

1809
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,640
up the house have people like eric davis

1810
01:04:01,829 --> 01:04:00,079
you know people like why is it the same

1811
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:01,839
people over and over again well number

1812
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,920
one if you read the book it's not uh

1813
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:05,359
before that though it's the same thing

1814
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:08,240
stigma uh eric david doesn't eric davis

1815
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,240
does not give a crap if he talks about

1816
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:12,160
wormholes and you said oh that's that's

1817
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,520
ridiculous he doesn't give a crap first

1818
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:15,119
of all he has the physics background he

1819
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,559
can talk about that and write papers on

1820
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:18,000
it um

1821
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,599
so that's why i need to send people

1822
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,799
believe it or not people don't live

1823
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:22,559
their lives based on what you think of

1824
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:24,720
them you know

1825
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,520
there's people that do what they want

1826
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,280
because they believe in something you

1827
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:30,960
know and the thing

1828
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:33,200
the thing to me is always like

1829
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,839
if you think it's crap or whatever like

1830
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:36,799
fine

1831
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:41,039
have to attack people and make it public

1832
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:43,200
so like you know

1833
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,559
you don't have to be afraid that people

1834
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,319
will think you're a wacko because you

1835
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:48,160
haven't said you think it's crap you

1836
01:04:52,829 --> 01:04:51,200
know like just move on and find your own

1837
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,839
truth you know

1838
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,480
um

1839
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:56,319
each other here you know so here's

1840
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,599
something that the

1841
01:05:03,430 --> 01:04:59,599
folks who think this is demonic will

1842
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:03,440
love so this is chapter five oh my gosh

1843
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:06,880
so talking about skinwalker 2007 there

1844
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:10,559
she had the the ranch manager jean dietz

1845
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:11,920
the dozen cro

1846
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:14,000
fixes and crosses are just my decorating

1847
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,440
style so she had them on the wall she

1848
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:17,839
was odd though the cross in the bathroom

1849
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:19,599
just flew off the wall and across the

1850
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:22,960
hall this morning so

1851
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:25,119
that's political stuff poltergeist

1852
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:26,799
classic poltergeist stuff that's what

1853
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,069
um so here

1854
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:34,400
this was how how lukowski started it so

1855
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,160
he goes after some internal discussion

1856
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,319
with his colleagues and superiors at dia

1857
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,079
lakotsky decided to take the bull by the

1858
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,000
horns this was after he read hunt for

1859
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,480
the skinwalker which if lakatsuki's read

1860
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:46,880
it everybody should read it uh

1861
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:47,680
so

1862
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,200
june 19 2007 he wrote a letter

1863
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:53,920
to robert bigelow on dia letterhead

1864
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,079
asking to visit the ranch uh and he

1865
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,079
wanted to develop a strategy on how his

1866
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,480
office dwo

1867
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:02,160
which they look at threats basically

1868
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,079
they look at threats the dwo i forget

1869
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,640
the wording what it is uh defense

1870
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:08,799
something office yeah

1871
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,680
uh

1872
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:11,520
develop a strategy on how my office can

1873
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:13,039
characterize the potential threat

1874
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:15,119
aspects of the phenomena encountered in

1875
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,200
your research efforts in the anals of

1876
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,520
ufology and anomalies it is doubtful

1877
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:21,920
that any similar letter this is so back

1878
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,319
this is not this is not quoting the

1879
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:25,920
caskey this is the writers i'm not sure

1880
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,079
who wrote why but it says in the annals

1881
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:30,480
of ufology and anomalies it's doubtful

1882
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,319
any similar letter had ever been written

1883
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,319
by a high-ranking intelligence agency

1884
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:36,640
official to the ceo of an aerospace

1885
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,799
corporation bigelow proposing an

1886
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:41,119
official visit to a ufo hotspot to

1887
01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:42,720
assess the technological threat

1888
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,559
potential of the phenomena on a place

1889
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,480
known as skinwalker ranch

1890
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:48,880
the dry clinical pros of the letter be

1891
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,039
lied in extraordinary audacity and

1892
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,280
showed that likkatsky was no ordinary

1893
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,400
intelligence agency bureaucrat lakatsky

1894
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:59,039
was a man with a capacity and i don't

1895
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,799
have the rest of it um

1896
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:02,480
uh we got a couple

1897
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:03,280
uh

1898
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:08,710
that i'm getting one is detective

1899
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,359
warrant officer

1900
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,480
and the other is deck watch officer yeah

1901
01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:17,280
it's it's it's part of dia

1902
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:20,280
uh i'll look it right now

1903
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,880
b-w-o-d-i-a is and i pulled it up and

1904
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:24,720
it's in my blog and

1905
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,960
type in d-i-a

1906
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:28,640
so

1907
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:30,799
defense warning office i think is what

1908
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:31,839
it is

1909
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:34,160
um but any folks in the chat any

1910
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,599
questions you have keep them coming even

1911
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:37,359
if i miss them ask them again

1912
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,640
um

1913
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:40,799
the book is like 200 and

1914
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,430
and at the end and at the end it talks

1915
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:49,440
about all the reports it just lists

1916
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,880
unfortunately it doesn't go into details

1917
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:53,119
it just lists everything that they gave

1918
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:54,640
to dia

1919
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,680
um it's just so much stuff uh

1920
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,640
and

1921
01:08:01,829 --> 01:08:00,319
when i do this when i do this i'm gonna

1922
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,839
i'm gonna do this again on sunday

1923
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,760
defense warning office thanks drew i'm

1924
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,359
gonna do this on sunday with michael bye

1925
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:07,440
hopefully he will have read it um by

1926
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:08,319
then

1927
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,160
and i want to go through more details

1928
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:11,599
because there's stuff that i'm drawing a

1929
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,079
blank on now uh that's in the book

1930
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,159
there's a lot of stuff in the book

1931
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,319
and

1932
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,480
let's see so

1933
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:21,839
what are some of the new research

1934
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,759
avenues you think will open up from this

1935
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:25,520
i'm hoping

1936
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:31,040
it just it opens up some more minds

1937
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,040
to actually study this and realize that

1938
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,960
it can be studied scientifically it's

1939
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,799
not the first time it's been done but to

1940
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,880
see somebody like catski if

1941
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,120
let casca i think hopefully i'm not sure

1942
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,880
if he's interested but i would

1943
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:44,400
you know i would bring him into certain

1944
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,239
government offices not even government

1945
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,480
private we need private private private

1946
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,880
scientific organizations

1947
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:53,120
weapons right

1948
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,560
yeah otherwise it's going to turn out to

1949
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,640
let's how can we exploit this it's the

1950
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,640
you hear it over how can we exploit the

1951
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,640
tic tac technology how can we exploit

1952
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,640
what's going on at skinwalking reports

1953
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:03,440
yeah

1954
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,799
how can we use this to our benefit

1955
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,400
if they do that you're not going to find

1956
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:11,440
anything out until they use it you know

1957
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,319
true true um

1958
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,719
so some of the questions

1959
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,719
linda says it's it was dangerous to the

1960
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,120
military guys yeah exactly and nobody

1961
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,440
knew it talks about how it says nobody

1962
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,279
knew really it says they were basically

1963
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,120
guinea pigs but nobody

1964
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:29,759
some of the i know chris partel

1965
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:32,159
had problems with his sinuses that might

1966
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,679
have come from something on the ranch or

1967
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,480
not but his big deal is he was given an

1968
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:38,400
mri and he was never shown to it so i'm

1969
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,920
on chris's side where he should have

1970
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,759
been going to it yes he didn't find out

1971
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,839
about it later until he had his own mri

1972
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:45,759
so the question would be like

1973
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,480
why wasn't he told and that's a question

1974
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:50,080
i don't know how that works with hipaa

1975
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,270
but somebody asked who is jonathan

1976
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:56,800
axelrod which i

1977
01:10:02,470 --> 01:09:59,600
which i had up before

1978
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,480
he is and i don't know if that's really

1979
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:05,280
his name uh but he was the acknowledged

1980
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,800
leader of that there's three guys who

1981
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,159
first went to skin rocker ranch so he

1982
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:10,560
was a senior aerospace engineer in naval

1983
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,920
intelligence

1984
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:14,000
um

1985
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,440
and that's basically who he was he was

1986
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:17,199
the lead investigator on this on the tic

1987
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,000
tac investigation with assaf

1988
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,080
and i'm trying to think of any more so

1989
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,520
here's something

1990
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:25,679
i don't know if you did something with

1991
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,640
with

1992
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:27,840
the

1993
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:30,080
kenneth arnold case recently i think you

1994
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:31,040
did

1995
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,239
me no

1996
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,320
did you do anything with with documents

1997
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:36,080
related to the kind of kenneth arnold

1998
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:38,800
case at all from 1947 june

1999
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:42,960
no i did uh if there was a phoenix one

2000
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,120
and but i did a big thing on aztec

2001
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:47,199
recently okay well this this is going to

2002
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,320
be interesting to a lot of people

2003
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,560
because i certainly did not so this i

2004
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:52,239
did not know this this starts off one of

2005
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:53,679
the chapters

2006
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,360
and it's it's kenneth arnold related

2007
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,040
and i feel like everything it always

2008
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,880
starts with him

2009
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:02,640
well check this out a ball of light

2010
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,960
appeared in their home shortly after the

2011
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,440
flying saucer sighting it first appeared

2012
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,000
in the older system's sister's bedroom

2013
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,920
it went down the hall and appeared in my

2014
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,159
mother and dad's bedroom that's kim

2015
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:16,400
arnold daughter of kenneth arnold

2016
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,159
relating the appearance of a ball of

2017
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,880
light orb in the arnold home shortly

2018
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:22,480
after her father's history-making

2019
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,120
sighting on june 47th is that amazing i

2020
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,480
had no idea oh i had no clue

2021
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:30,000
you don't hear about that now all the

2022
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,560
books like start with his story none of

2023
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:34,159
them mentioned that

2024
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,840
yeah i never heard that that's amazing

2025
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,520
so yeah that stuff has been going on for

2026
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,960
a long time it's not something new

2027
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:40,080
people like oh it just started with

2028
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,840
skinwalker ranch no it didn't it's been

2029
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,000
going on for a long time no and all

2030
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:45,920
those reports dude like most of the

2031
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:48,719
reports then are balls of light

2032
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,840
you know

2033
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,600
like saucer

2034
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,520
you know they're not all that way a lot

2035
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,960
of people swear they saw you know

2036
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,560
something silver and metallic in a

2037
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,199
saucer shape or whatever but like pilots

2038
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,520
military pilots and commercial pilots

2039
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:02,960
when they're reporting what they saw in

2040
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,440
the air their balls of light

2041
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:07,040
you know and they go and they they

2042
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,400
vector them

2043
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:10,239
after these things and they can't catch

2044
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,120
them

2045
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,800
and they're balls of light they don't go

2046
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,560
yeah there was a saucer and i saw the

2047
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:16,719
alien dude in there it's always a ball

2048
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:19,360
of light you know

2049
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,880
yeah it's like it's like foo fighters

2050
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:22,560
seemed like they were balls of light you

2051
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,600
know so

2052
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,880
are they the same i don't know if

2053
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,320
they're the same thing

2054
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:28,080
um weird

2055
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,520
like what the hell's up with light

2056
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:33,120
here's another thing just more just more

2057
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,719
hitchhiker stuff that's in the book you

2058
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,880
know quote from travis taylor he said we

2059
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:38,400
don't like to talk about the hitchhiker

2060
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:39,920
too much because everybody's afraid it's

2061
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:41,920
going to trigger it or something i have

2062
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:44,000
several colleagues that were putting

2063
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,760
instruments out to measure things at

2064
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:48,159
their house as well as at the ranch and

2065
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,000
we're measuring simultaneous events

2066
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:51,920
occurring at bald places

2067
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:54,080
that may be a thousand miles apart which

2068
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,440
makes you think of quantum physics and

2069
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,040
you know

2070
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:01,440
uh what's what's the well they take two

2071
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,880
particles and they separate them and

2072
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,640
they change the spin supposedly the

2073
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,640
other particle instantaneously adopts it

2074
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,320
so i'm not sure exactly if that's what

2075
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:10,080
he's talking about

2076
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:13,040
yeah i'm not to you know quantum

2077
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:14,480
entanglement

2078
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:20,640
i'm not the quantum guy i guess but

2079
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:23,520
you know i do think um that there's

2080
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,640
definitely

2081
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,880
a lot more to consciousness being a

2082
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:28,800
quantum process

2083
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:30,840
you

2084
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,080
know there's something to that here

2085
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,480
all five actively

2086
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,320
serving the intelligence agency

2087
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,239
personnel who visited the ranch during

2088
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:42,719
the osap basque program experienced

2089
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,159
profound anomalies while on the property

2090
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,480
and even more importantly all five

2091
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:50,400
brought something home with them so yeah

2092
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:51,840
it's

2093
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,000
that's a good point it wasn't like one

2094
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,960
out of 20 bring something home it

2095
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,880
not was and here's some of the serious

2096
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,040
stuff from the book okay

2097
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,840
the axelrod family also suffered health

2098
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:08,080
health effects with the wife the wife

2099
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:11,199
suffering flare-ups of systematic lupus

2100
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:14,480
uh and renaud's disease both axelrod's

2101
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,679
teenagers also suffered intense flu-like

2102
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,679
symptoms at different times following

2103
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,520
anomalies in their home with the most

2104
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:23,600
serious medical symptoms occurring in

2105
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,360
the younger teenager after being

2106
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:27,360
attacked on the night of february 7th

2107
01:14:32,669 --> 01:14:30,800
2011 by blue and red orbs in his room

2108
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:32,679
uh without without breaking medical

2109
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,199
confidentiality it can be unequivocally

2110
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:37,199
stated that a large number of people who

2111
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,800
brought something home from skinwalker

2112
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:39,600
ranch

2113
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,080
also began to experience autoimmune

2114
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,000
disease in one or more family or

2115
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:45,840
household members

2116
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,640
well

2117
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,320
it's just it's like

2118
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:50,800
i had no idea it was that

2119
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:53,199
widespread and that was going on

2120
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,590
co-wrote the book um the irish fellow uh

2121
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:05,920
kelleher

2122
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:08,960
so he also wrote a book i found a while

2123
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,320
ago about med cow disease i have it i

2124
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,920
have not read all of it but it's really

2125
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:14,880
good

2126
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:18,080
yeah and how it was related to uh

2127
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:20,080
alzheimer's or something

2128
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,960
yes

2129
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:22,960
that was really interesting to me

2130
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:25,520
and it goes to show i guess you know

2131
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,960
how much time he

2132
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,800
puts into the

2133
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,800
these kind of anomalies i think i even

2134
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,360
saw like a quote on one of his bios

2135
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,440
where like that's his main thing is

2136
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,280
is working on these kind of health

2137
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,280
anomalies

2138
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,750
it's called brain trust

2139
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,360
brain trust yes

2140
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,199
the hidden connection

2141
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,440
between mad cow and misdiagnosed

2142
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:51,360
alzheimer's disease i believe he does

2143
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:52,719
make a connection with cattle

2144
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,159
mutilations because that's one of the

2145
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,000
theories whoever's in charge is trying

2146
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,800
to keep track of our our food

2147
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:00,159
uh

2148
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:01,840
yeah see what we're eating if there's

2149
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,920
any problems that's one of the theories

2150
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:05,600
i'll tell you this right now that's very

2151
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:09,520
interesting and i showed it when that um

2152
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:12,800
uh it was like uh the mandate first came

2153
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:15,920
out for the preliminary report so it was

2154
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,320
in that big bill or whatever

2155
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,920
and you know because everyone just went

2156
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,840
to the uap part they just skipped the

2157
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,760
rest of it and all right what do you got

2158
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,719
in here

2159
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:26,480
and

2160
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:28,960
a part of that you know if you wouldn't

2161
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:30,480
wouldn't skip it or whatever is

2162
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:32,840
anomalous um

2163
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,320
medical like uh issues or occurrences

2164
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:40,320
is in there like to be looked at and

2165
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,080
everything really goes through like the

2166
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,679
symptoms too

2167
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:45,440
uh which is you know like headache and

2168
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,000
all that kind of stuff and um it was

2169
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:50,400
kind of related the symptoms reminded me

2170
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:52,640
of how they described like

2171
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:56,239
um these like havana syndrome stuff

2172
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:57,199
but

2173
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,600
so i'll have to find that and and said

2174
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,440
i've been looking for it so i can send

2175
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,600
it to you because yeah too

2176
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:05,120
and you bring up you bring up havana

2177
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:06,719
syndrome and lewis said there might be a

2178
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,320
connection between uap and havana

2179
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:10,239
syndrome and i'm like okay well

2180
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:12,080
um i would love to see what they're

2181
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:13,440
talking about and then you see what

2182
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,960
happens with these things so i don't

2183
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:17,360
know um somebody said is you know

2184
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,960
brandon fuegle says he has not

2185
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:20,719
experienced any poultry ice activities

2186
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,600
but the doctors have is brandon's armani

2187
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,920
suit protecting him

2188
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:27,440
that is the question

2189
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:31,120
he would probably tell you it's uh god

2190
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,470
yeah brandon probably will tell you that

2191
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,480
um his religious belief he doesn't have

2192
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,920
to worry about it um

2193
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,120
there is something

2194
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:43,360
i will here's something a slight change

2195
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,480
from the book

2196
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:46,239
we haven't talked about remote viewing

2197
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,040
so

2198
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,800
joe mcmonicle is one of the best remote

2199
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,640
viewers on the planet did a remote

2200
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,159
viewing and he said there was a fifth

2201
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,159
individual on the on the ranch when he

2202
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,480
was remote viewing he drew the ranch out

2203
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:58,400
uh the um

2204
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,920
the whole ranch

2205
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,000
from like an aerial view he's an amazing

2206
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:04,239
artist so he can draw exactly what he

2207
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,760
sees how are you doing right

2208
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,080
red panda here so this is mcmahon

2209
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:10,400
mcmonicle he says uh

2210
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:11,920
he said that uh during his remote

2211
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:14,080
viewing and once again can't be rarified

2212
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:15,600
especially this

2213
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,040
he says

2214
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,280
wow the fifth individual who was also

2215
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:21,199
present at the ranch mcmonica described

2216
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:24,480
a male 60 to 70 pounds with a height of

2217
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:26,960
four foot three inches with no hair

2218
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:29,440
sounds like a gray uh age was not able

2219
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,360
to be determined exact physical features

2220
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,679
were unclear as opposed to those of the

2221
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:35,520
managers and guards i guess which he

2222
01:18:40,149 --> 01:18:37,760
described mcmonicle said that the fifth

2223
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:40,159
individual could not be seen by rants

2224
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,320
personnel but did attempt tests

2225
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:44,320
communications with them to see their

2226
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,600
response

2227
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,600
he indicated he indicated that the

2228
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,360
communication was not precise or clear

2229
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,440
and that uh and to the individuals on

2230
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:53,679
the ranch it would seem to come from

2231
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,880
above and behind their heads

2232
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:59,120
so that's really cool can't you can't

2233
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:00,400
obviously

2234
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,800
confirm it but

2235
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,880
and if it's if let's say he's accurate

2236
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,159
let's say this is an accurate remote

2237
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:08,000
viewing that's kind of encouraging that

2238
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:09,840
it was trying to communicate you know

2239
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:12,000
not trying to cause havoc

2240
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:13,520
right

2241
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,159
so yeah that's yeah

2242
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,480
yeah like you know

2243
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:20,640
you have to speculate or like what are

2244
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:23,760
we doing here that's after the fun is

2245
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:25,840
is speculating and you know trying to

2246
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,120
think what

2247
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:28,960
what's possible and what would make

2248
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:30,719
sense you know like i always think of

2249
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,960
george nip when um you know i think a

2250
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,320
lot of people were

2251
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,480
just kind of um

2252
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,719
poo pooing a lot of stuff

2253
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:40,719
in the ufo world not too long ago maybe

2254
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,080
a couple months ago

2255
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,040
and he just wrote a simple tweet that i

2256
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:47,280
that still stays with me

2257
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,000
and it's um

2258
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:53,040
ufos are supposed to be fun

2259
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,800
i remember that i remember that that was

2260
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:56,880
that was that was and i thought he also

2261
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,480
said that back in 2019 he's like

2262
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,920
you know it's like we finally get some

2263
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,600
new information and people just want to

2264
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:05,840
[\h__\h] all over right off the bat come on

2265
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:07,120
let's talk about this i mean it's

2266
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:08,719
serious some of this is serious not all

2267
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:09,679
of it

2268
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:10,960
well if you're just serious the whole

2269
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,159
time you're gonna you're gonna turn into

2270
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,480
a really anxiety you're gonna be an

2271
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,520
anxiety ball you know like

2272
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:21,040
and i'm trying to find that line being

2273
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:23,840
newer here but yeah like you have to

2274
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:26,000
there's a sense of seriousness and but

2275
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:27,600
you also have to be able to have fun

2276
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:30,239
with it too you know exactly and that

2277
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:32,960
stays with me yeah and i have to

2278
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:35,199
remember that more i get too serious too

2279
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:36,800
somebody i know said you need to smile

2280
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:39,040
more during your your uh live streams

2281
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:41,199
i'm like we're talking about serious

2282
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:43,360
stuff anyway so

2283
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,960
uh calling all being says do we think

2284
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:46,800
lou was able to read the book in advance

2285
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:49,199
i would hope so i would think so if so

2286
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,880
do you think the remote viewing comment

2287
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,400
that is circulating is helping his

2288
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,400
effort or not uh probably not helping

2289
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:56,400
with certain people but i i'm pretty

2290
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:58,000
sure he knew it was in there might have

2291
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:59,360
been one of the reasons he didn't want

2292
01:21:03,189 --> 01:21:01,199
to go into details he wanted to wait for

2293
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,199
the book to come out he can he's i would

2294
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,520
hope he'll explain exactly what happened

2295
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:07,600
um i want to go back to the

2296
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:10,639
to the so the lady who sat next to

2297
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,880
let kasky uh at the dia susanna ash

2298
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,120
so here's what happened so she sat in

2299
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:21,840
the office cubicle next to let caskey at

2300
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,760
the dia between february and june 2011.

2301
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:27,840
uh she reported that on the night of

2302
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:31,520
february 6 2011 the night before

2303
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,159
lakatsky's february 7th briefing to the

2304
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,400
department of homeland security which

2305
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:37,760
when you read it

2306
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,920
it's it was an amazing briefing if you

2307
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,719
read

2308
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,360
lakotsky did amazing just

2309
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:45,120
he did his research he learned

2310
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,639
everything about the program and he let

2311
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,400
lucy didn't hold anything back trying to

2312
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,480
get the program a home in the department

2313
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:52,239
of homeland security

2314
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:53,679
say again

2315
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:55,920
i'm sorry i jumped ahead and his pet

2316
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,880
dogged it once yeah yeah so so

2317
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,040
the night before that briefing

2318
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,040
eddie ash susanna's brother who

2319
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:05,360
previously had no experience whatsoever

2320
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:07,840
with anomalies had an escalating series

2321
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,639
of close encounters with uaps in rural

2322
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:12,800
mocksville north carolina that continued

2323
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:15,199
for months afterwards eddie's quiet

2324
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:17,920
country home suddenly had large orange

2325
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:20,639
uaps hovering outside at night aerial

2326
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:22,719
photos of his house were sent to his

2327
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:25,440
mobile phone from unknown numbers and

2328
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,840
his pet dog once disappeared

2329
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,000
through multiple locked doors while

2330
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:32,159
eddie slept only to be found in the

2331
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:35,199
morning whimpering outside

2332
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:37,120
could litkatsky have transmitted

2333
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:39,679
something to susanna ashe who

2334
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:43,360
subsequently passed it to her brother

2335
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,639
so the moral of that story is do not

2336
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:48,960
hang around anywhere near james

2337
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,510
do not hang out with anybody who's been

2338
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,520
on the ranch you know i wanted to meet

2339
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,199
george that in person i've seen him

2340
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:03,520
before now that i know this i am not

2341
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:05,600
going anywhere near him

2342
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,840
i think it's like a six foot a six foot

2343
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:09,360
rule maybe

2344
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,760
what why is it always a die i hate when

2345
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,920
it's always got to bring the dogs into

2346
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:16,639
it the dogs i know i love dogs more than

2347
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,390
i'm trying to go through some questions

2348
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:26,239
anytime anytime you have to go sean let

2349
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:28,719
me know yeah i'm gonna eat so i'll

2350
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,400
probably i'll head out now

2351
01:23:32,830 --> 01:23:32,000
okay thank you thank you thank you for

2352
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:32,840
being

2353
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,080
here yeah a great time yeah you helped

2354
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:38,080
me a lot because i'm still a lot i have

2355
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,360
to learn about that book and what

2356
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:41,600
happened so thank you yeah and i'll talk

2357
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:43,679
to you soon i'll see you on twitter yeah

2358
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,800
i'll read it

2359
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:46,400
maybe yeah

2360
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,990
all right so questions

2361
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:55,760
i can't figure out where calling all

2362
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:01,270
you guys

2363
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:02,719
i have to get ready for work but i can

2364
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,830
is like caskey catholic

2365
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,280
i don't know they don't talk about his

2366
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:15,040
religion in there and i i'm not sure if

2367
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:16,639
it was true you asked about the medical

2368
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,800
reports they're not in there the whole

2369
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:20,800
hipaa thing is a problem

2370
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:25,590
chris says i have multiple heart issues

2371
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,320
and autoimmune diseases yeah i mean

2372
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,280
is it connected um i mean i see this now

2373
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:33,199
and it's troublesome

2374
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:34,320
and um

2375
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,440
i don't know i don't know what to do

2376
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:36,880
about that i really really would love to

2377
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,199
know how many people have have some sort

2378
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:41,440
of connection to seeing that phenomenon

2379
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,800
and then having this stuff happen to

2380
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,480
them

2381
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:45,920
i'm not really sure what this is above

2382
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,639
and behind that's not v2k communication

2383
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:51,280
voice to skull oh i don't i don't know

2384
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:53,120
um i've heard there are other people

2385
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:54,960
i've heard talking about hearing voices

2386
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:57,040
above not being able to make out what

2387
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:59,040
they're saying and maybe it's the same

2388
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:01,360
type of thing

2389
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,239
um

2390
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:07,030
here we go red pound says i'm sorry if

2391
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:08,239
you said this but have you read the

2392
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,679
whole book already

2393
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:12,000
i have read i read so i got the book

2394
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:13,679
maybe like a

2395
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,480
a week and a half ago maybe uh so i read

2396
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,560
it just for entertainment because i was

2397
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,000
so excited to see it i didn't want i

2398
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,000
should have taken notes the first time

2399
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:24,080
so i read it i didn't remember a lot of

2400
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:25,600
it i enjoyed it

2401
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:26,639
and

2402
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,440
i read it again a couple of days ago

2403
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,920
the book was supposed to be out

2404
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,920
wednesday and then amazon just put it

2405
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,840
online and i was scrambling to read it

2406
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:37,440
again and take notes and write a blog

2407
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:38,840
which is not done

2408
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,639
um so there's certain things

2409
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:45,360
please set up an email um

2410
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,040
there's certain things

2411
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,120
sorry i was reading uh messages certain

2412
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:51,040
things that i don't remember

2413
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:52,480
which when my memory it takes me a

2414
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,120
couple times to sink into my memory

2415
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,360
but i enjoyed the book uh i think the

2416
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:59,360
book is great i think asap is more than

2417
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:01,120
i ever expected

2418
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,280
i think it's like a shining

2419
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:05,120
program for other programs to show how

2420
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:06,719
you can quickly get off the ground

2421
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:09,920
running uh hire people i mean as i said

2422
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:12,960
earlier kelleher hired 300 people or 50

2423
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:15,440
people he interviewed 300 people over

2424
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:17,360
online and then 100 people in person

2425
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:19,120
within like six or seven months and had

2426
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:20,560
50 people hired

2427
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,719
so amazing amazing job uh professor

2428
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:27,040
penis i have my email is

2429
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:30,719
let's see where my i think i have

2430
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,679
it's connected to my paypal

2431
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:35,040
but

2432
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:37,920
i do have that and and while i'm at it

2433
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,400
anybody interested that is my patreon

2434
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:42,159
and

2435
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:45,440
my blog is ufo.net i have a lot of stuff

2436
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:48,560
on the blog the 2019 george knapp

2437
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,800
uh lecture at megacon is a good one he

2438
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,320
talks about a lot of this stuff and

2439
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:53,840
there's stuff in there that i'm sure

2440
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:55,120
there's some stuff that we haven't heard

2441
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:56,560
about publicly yet

2442
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,320
he's really good about getting as much

2443
01:27:02,709 --> 01:26:59,840
information out as he can and then at a

2444
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,719
future date he gets it out me

2445
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:04,719
i hear stuff and i a lot of times i'm

2446
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:07,120
never told i could share it um so but

2447
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:08,719
that's my email

2448
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,520
uh i don't check it that much which i

2449
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:12,800
need to do

2450
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:19,510
venmo and then any more questions you

2451
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:22,880
guys have i will go through

2452
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:28,390
page 25 was interesting but i don't know

2453
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:31,120
what page 25 is and i do have

2454
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,480
i do have the book here but it's online

2455
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:35,920
have you known about

2456
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:38,639
while did george tip you off a while

2457
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:40,239
back it wasn't a while it was like i

2458
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,679
think it was like a week and a half i

2459
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,600
don't remember when we got it a few of

2460
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:45,520
us got it i know some other people got

2461
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:47,360
it um

2462
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,440
so it was nice to read

2463
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,760
and i was excited because i had no idea

2464
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:53,920
a book was in the works no idea

2465
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,880
totally clueless um so

2466
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,040
to see le caskey come out is just such a

2467
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:01,199
big deal and then like i said kelleher

2468
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:02,639
doesn't get enough credit and people

2469
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:05,679
will see that when they read the book

2470
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,080
no spoilers yeah all right

2471
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:10,080
i won't say any more well i'm kind of

2472
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:11,760
the whole the whole episode is a spoiler

2473
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:13,280
but there's a lot there's a lot of

2474
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:15,600
detail i am not i have a lot of detail

2475
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:17,920
in my blog

2476
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:20,320
that i have not talked about

2477
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:21,440
and

2478
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,880
by the time that comes out hopefully

2479
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:24,719
people will read it

2480
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:26,840
um i'm just trying to

2481
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,800
see some more things that i grabbed

2482
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:32,320
as far as

2483
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:34,719
from the book

2484
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:38,080
so here was that the the the af osi

2485
01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:39,280
connection

2486
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:40,840
as i mentioned

2487
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:44,560
earlier let me get rid of

2488
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,629
banner

2489
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:52,320
there we go so

2490
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:54,639
bass needed data from

2491
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,600
the off the air force off air force

2492
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:00,000
office of special investigations on

2493
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,600
historical and current uap events

2494
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,520
uh earlier on the page before it says

2495
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:07,440
they did they wanted to know

2496
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,800
they wanted to know what air force

2497
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:10,239
technology was out there so they didn't

2498
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:11,840
waste their time on that stuff like on a

2499
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:13,520
sighting that turned out to be some

2500
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:15,280
secret project they didn't want to waste

2501
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:16,560
their time so they wanted to know that

2502
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,600
stuff but

2503
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:19,760
they also wanted to know historical and

2504
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,159
current uap events specifically for data

2505
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,040
that afosi had gathered on the october

2506
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,080
november 1975 incursions by unknown

2507
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,159
flying objects into the so-called

2508
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:32,880
northern tier air force bases

2509
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:35,760
in michigan maine malestrom in montana

2510
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:38,400
and north dakota that's basically you

2511
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:40,480
know that's where the the missile base

2512
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:42,320
you know missiles will shut off

2513
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:44,159
with a ufo hanging out over the base

2514
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:45,520
there's actually one instance in the

2515
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,120
united states of a missile being turned

2516
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:49,360
on too

2517
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,600
it's well known in a public record that

2518
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:54,000
afosi had responded vigorously and

2519
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:55,760
thoroughly with in-depth investigations

2520
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:58,480
into these incidents that had profound

2521
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:01,840
implications for national security

2522
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,440
angelo and his group at the afosi

2523
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:07,360
listened politely and promising to see

2524
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:09,199
what they could do about this however as

2525
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,040
the meeting broke up the central

2526
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,199
cautionary tale was that bass needed to

2527
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:15,199
be read into some special access

2528
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:17,440
programs in order to progress much

2529
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:21,360
further in a relationship with af osi

2530
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,080
and that never happened like i said 2009

2531
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:26,000
they tried not hard they tried again

2532
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:27,679
harder in 2011

2533
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:30,239
to get special access status and they

2534
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:35,910
me get rid of that and i'm trying to

2535
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:38,239
think if i have any more so here's a

2536
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:39,679
little more on the funding it's boring

2537
01:30:47,910 --> 01:30:44,950
this is what happened so

2538
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:47,920
the program ran from september 2008 to

2539
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:50,159
the end of 2010

2540
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:52,000
that was funded for two years and then

2541
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:55,040
for fiscal year 11 congressional funding

2542
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:57,920
was not available otherwise asep could

2543
01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:00,080
have continued in the dia for the third

2544
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,760
year

2545
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:03,440
decision was ever made to use the

2546
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:05,040
funding elsewhere

2547
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:07,360
the money was simply unavailable money

2548
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:10,320
was available for fiscal year 12

2549
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:12,800
but money was not the only issue that

2550
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:14,159
might be a reference to some of the

2551
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,600
people who were trying to you know kill

2552
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:17,520
the program because of the demonic

2553
01:31:23,030 --> 01:31:19,679
belief that it was demonic

2554
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:23,040
in 2011 to 2012 the pressing need for a

2555
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:25,600
special access program for contract data

2556
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:27,920
exploitation was determined to be

2557
01:31:32,470 --> 01:31:29,920
absolutely necessary based on

2558
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:32,480
preliminary data a letter had already

2559
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:35,280
been sent from reed to defense secretary

2560
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:37,440
of defense william lynn in 2009

2561
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,960
requesting an sap for ossep

2562
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:42,639
so the re but that wasn't the real push

2563
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:45,280
the real push came later on with 2011

2564
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:49,280
for special access um status

2565
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:51,120
and that is all i have is as far as

2566
01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:54,800
screen grabs from the book

2567
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:00,950
um

2568
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:03,520
i'm going to go for like

2569
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:06,560
3 45. so any more any more questions

2570
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:08,880
feel free

2571
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:10,880
oh that was page 25 was when they were

2572
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:12,480
they were on the ranch

2573
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:14,800
uh and the three guys

2574
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:17,120
experienced the temperature fluctuations

2575
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:19,840
a big drop in temperature on the ranch

2576
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:22,000
and then they experienced something

2577
01:32:25,350 --> 01:32:23,440
similar that

2578
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:25,360
to what was seen back in the nid's days

2579
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:27,199
where they saw a big like a bigfoot like

2580
01:32:31,910 --> 01:32:28,880
creature but this wasn't as clear it was

2581
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:31,920
like a mass this big dark mass in their

2582
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:34,159
uh night vision goggles or a night

2583
01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:35,920
vision scope

2584
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:37,679
which was

2585
01:32:43,990 --> 01:32:39,679
which but before that they were having

2586
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:45,510
let me just see what other questions you

2587
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:53,110
i don't really know what that is

2588
01:32:56,470 --> 01:32:54,950
you feel

2589
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:56,480
like this could be a considered a

2590
01:32:59,590 --> 01:32:57,920
companion piece of some sort of the

2591
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:59,600
previous hunt for the skinwalkers book

2592
01:33:02,629 --> 01:33:01,600
or should they each stand on their own

2593
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:02,639
100

2594
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:04,639
it should be considered a companion

2595
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:05,520
piece

2596
01:33:08,950 --> 01:33:06,800
um

2597
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:08,960
you can read this one without reading

2598
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,719
hunt for the skinwalker but it helps to

2599
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:12,560
read hump for the skinwalker first which

2600
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:14,719
is one of my favorite brook books

2601
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:16,560
on the phenomenon these two books i

2602
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:17,280
would

2603
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:18,320
i mean

2604
01:33:23,189 --> 01:33:21,600
if i knew somebody was open-minded

2605
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:23,199
and willing to consider some of the

2606
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:24,800
things that are in this book like the

2607
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,400
wolf stuff which is really tough for a

2608
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,320
lot of people um

2609
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:30,320
and the poltergeist activity if if i

2610
01:33:33,669 --> 01:33:31,840
knew they were open-minded i would say

2611
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,679
you know what you should you should read

2612
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:35,120
hunt for the skinwalker then skin

2613
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:37,199
markers at the pentagon

2614
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,480
so

2615
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:40,239
let me see what this is where are the

2616
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:41,840
files keller was talking about eight

2617
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,800
foot tall pile uh or something like that

2618
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:46,960
yeah he's talking about

2619
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:48,400
he's talking about

2620
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:50,080
all the files they collected the reports

2621
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:54,000
they did on cases on instances or um

2622
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:55,679
on subjects

2623
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,679
and everything went to the dia i'm not

2624
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:59,520
sure if bass has their own copies i

2625
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:00,960
would think they still do and they're

2626
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:03,120
locked up in some secure area

2627
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:05,280
area i obviously i think all that should

2628
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:07,199
be public you know minus the the names

2629
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:08,719
of the met people dealing with medical

2630
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:09,920
issues

2631
01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:16,550
but that's not but somebody was

2632
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:17,840
mentioning to me they said they thought

2633
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:19,520
that was like the data warehouse that

2634
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:21,120
jeremy corbell and eric davis were

2635
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:22,880
talking of that's not the same thing

2636
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:24,880
it's just the best

2637
01:34:28,790 --> 01:34:27,280
data stacks of stuff that they collected

2638
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,800
i mean for two years it's amazing what

2639
01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:30,719
they what they accomplished accomplished

2640
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:34,800
in two years so just much credit to

2641
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:37,360
bigelow and lutkatsky and

2642
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:39,280
and kelleher and other people behind the

2643
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:41,040
scenes who i'm sure we may never hear

2644
01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:43,280
from

2645
01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:50,070
linda

2646
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:52,639
yes i've heard that

2647
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:54,320
i just sent a copy to all the people in

2648
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:55,840
all governments i agree let them read

2649
01:35:00,149 --> 01:34:58,000
this of course

2650
01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:00,159
you know i'm not sure if it's a first

2651
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:02,320
it's a great first book when people read

2652
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:04,800
it um but

2653
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,639
to see what can be done when science

2654
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,639
takes tackles a very controversial

2655
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:11,280
subject is for me it's exciting

2656
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,560
and yeah back to the temperature

2657
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:14,239
fluctuations yeah you hear it you hear

2658
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:15,600
that all the time

2659
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:16,639
in

2660
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:20,400
first time i saw that

2661
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:22,719
uh speaking of the exorcist

2662
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:24,159
i don't know if anybody ever tried an

2663
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:26,560
exorcism on the ranch but it was one

2664
01:35:29,590 --> 01:35:28,320
flying crucifix so i mean but there's

2665
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:29,600
other stuff that flies around the room

2666
01:35:33,109 --> 01:35:30,960
that's not a crucifix when you talk

2667
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:33,119
about poltergeist um and i've brought it

2668
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:35,520
up before barry taft has a connection to

2669
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:38,800
people who have um epileptic fits uh

2670
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:42,320
it's in his book ufos above and below

2671
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,239
um he saw that there was a connection i

2672
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:46,560
don't know how that connection works

2673
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,560
and a lot of it is you know traced to

2674
01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:50,639
teenage girls and coming seems to be

2675
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:52,400
coming from them but not all the cases

2676
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:53,920
obviously if you read this book you'll

2677
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:58,550
yeah it's it's definitely

2678
01:36:01,590 --> 01:35:59,920
if you have a friend who's open-minded

2679
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:01,600
these two books hunt for the skin walker

2680
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,119
and skin workers that

2681
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:05,760
at the pentagon are good reads so i'm

2682
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:06,719
gonna

2683
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:11,600
and listen to rod stewart my new job

2684
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:12,639
and

2685
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:16,400
through the book

2686
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:18,159
taking more notes and studying and i'll

2687
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:20,320
have michael via on 3 p.m on sunday

2688
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:21,520
because it would be nice to have

2689
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,320
somebody who's actually worked in intel

2690
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,080
um

2691
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:28,719
who's had a special access he had a top

2692
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:31,040
secret sei clearance so

2693
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,880
he may he'll be able to add more insight

2694
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:34,800
into this anything i could ever have and

2695
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:36,880
michael you're late to the party

2696
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,760
um i didn't see until now so

2697
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:41,600
uh back to what you asked me earlier on

2698
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:42,960
twitter michael those are good questions

2699
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:44,480
that i needed to follow up with kid

2700
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:45,840
green because i knew my original

2701
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:48,400
interview was lacking severely and then

2702
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:50,159
kid green put an end to interviews

2703
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:51,520
because whatever reason he said i'm not

2704
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:53,600
doing any more interviews so i didn't

2705
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:56,080
get to yeah i didn't get to finish that

2706
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,600
interview that might change and if i get

2707
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:59,600
a chance i will ask him questions and

2708
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:01,040
i'll ask people for their questions i'll

2709
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:02,880
show you what i have so far i got to get

2710
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:05,119
that online it's incomplete big time

2711
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:06,880
thank you guys yeah i'll see you on

2712
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:09,040
sunday at three with michael via and you

2713
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,239
guys can guess anything you want it

2714
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,320
doesn't have to be about the book so all